Disabled facilities / officer

TobyLeeds
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edited October 2019 in Club Membership #1

I recently visited the Malvern site and found all the flexible hoses in the disabled and adapted showers fixed to the wall with Muston rings allowing only about 20 cm of free movement. Clearly this made showering difficult for the disabled.

after several emails to head office I was told that the club did not have a disabilities officer! It seems strange that a club employing so many people and with a membership, many who may have a disability, does not have an officer specifically for disability issues. 

What does the membership think?

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2019 #2

    What's a muston ring 😕

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2019 #3

    The reason the rings are fitted is to stop damage to the showerheads by stopping them from hitting the floor if dropped,and reaching other inappropriate areas  ,As with most large organisations I would expect disability advise to be some expert brought in when needed

    Ps I have not found the flexible hoses to be as restricting as you seem to have found, did you speak to the site staff as it may just be a "local" issue

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #4

    No it's to do with plumbing regulations.

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #5

    Plumbing regs LINK

    PS I'm not a "fount" of knowledge but remembered when OH fitted a new shower we saw the instructions about this on the paperwork. 

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2019 #7

    I’m no expert on the regs and I’m working from a hazy memory but I think the link Brue posted demonstrates that the club have got it wrong at Malvern. It is the only disabled room I’ve come across, in either club, with such a restriction fitted to the shower hose.

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #8

    It looks as though disabled site users need to look at individual sites for suitability and maybe phone the site to check. There seems to be a difference with facilities for those who are "walking" disabled and those in wheelchairs.  Put "disabilities" into search and you can see the clubs comments (lost my link somewhere!)                                                        Whether disabled facilities can offer a flexible shower head rather than one that is limited by regulation fixings, the club would need to respond as it's quite an understandable question put by the OP. So I'll report the OP's original comments and see whether the response can help?

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #9

    Hopefully this will work and I've now reported the OPs question.

    Disabled facilities LINK

     

     

  • peedee
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    edited October 2019 #10

    That is also my understanding JVB. In the past I have also complained about the restrictions the rings impose on reach and I think they were in this instance removed. I don't believe it is a plumbing regulation to have these.

    On the whole we have found the Clubs facilities for the disabled to be excellent although since we changed to the current motorhome we rarely use them now prefering to use on board facilities.

    peedee

     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2019 #11

    It’s an advisory thing as far as I can tell, PD, and the aim is to prevent the shower head dropping into water in the basin, toilet etc and back syphoning. It’s unlikely that could happen in a site disability wet room. 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2019 #12

    The same guide that says an outside tap should have a none return valve fitted to prevent syphoning back into the water system.

  • lornalou1
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    edited October 2019 #13

    Why not just fit a slightly shorter hose that cannot reach the toilet or basin.

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2019 #15

    Tried that but it needed a wrench or similar and I didn’t have one with me in the shower. 🙂

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  • JVB66
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    edited October 2019 #17

    Not if the site staff as usual  are on to that, and have fitted a self tapping screws where the shower hose is fitted at each endwink

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2019 #18

    I know but please don’t insult the wardens.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2019 #19

    I've yet to see that 😕

  • TobyLeeds
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    edited October 2019 #20

    The Muston ring at Malvern stop the shower head 2ft from the floor - no chance of it getting anywhere near!

    my second point was that with so many staff some with disabilities I would have thought that a disabilities officer would make initial assessments of any problems And then if there are specific instances (e.g. Working conditions, adaptions to office etc ) then an expert could be brought in if it could not be resolved. He/she would also be available to advise staff on issues like this, raised by members.

  • derekcyril
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    edited October 2019 #21

    Tinwheeler  , its law plus antisyphon valve has to be fitted . All shower fittings have same thread . I have heard of people taking of shower head and putting longer pipe on .

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #22

    Cut DD a bit of slack, I'm sure it was a typo, or a spell checker error, he wouldn't be as cras as that! Easily happens! The wardens do a fine job I'm sure he appreciates that.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2019 #23

    🤣🤣🤣

  • KjellNN
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    edited October 2019 #24

    While I am sure that these facilities meet with the rules, I do often wonder if any disabled people have been involved in advising as to the suitability of what is proposed/provided.  Having assisted my OH in many of these rooms on sites of both clubs I have noticed several things that IMO could be done much better.....

    As the OP commented, restraining a lift down shower head so that it cannot be easily used by anyone who needs to sit while showering seems to defeat the purpose, some are even difficult to use when standing.  Surely there must be a way of meeting the water regulations but still keeping the use of the shower sensible?

    The use of rather inflexible plastic hoses......these can make it very difficult to direct the spray sensibly when the head is placed on the riser rail.

    Temperature adjustment and water pressure......often the temperature cannot be adjusted  enough upwards to give a good hot shower (if that is what you want) and we have found sites where the pressure in the disabled room seems to have been reduced compared to what I have experienced in the ordinary showers.

    This is often not helped by the poor choice of shower head style .

    Hooks.......these are sometimes fitted only low down and clothes hung on them can trail on the floor.  While a wheelchair user may need low hooks, not all disabled people use a wheelchair, hooks should be fitted at normal as well as low level.

    Mirrors.....again often fitted low down above a very low wash basin, and, unless the mirror is large, can mean it is no use to a standing person.

    Towel rail......generally not provided.......have you tried hanging a large bath towel on a small hook?!

    A surface on which to place equipment or personal items.......usually only a narrow shelf which is generally not well situated and of inadequate size.

    Floor........sometimes not well laid, with lack of fall towards the drain allowing water to spread over a large area of the floor.

    Shower curtain and rail........some type of rails make it difficult to pull the curtain, especially when fixed high up, and often the enclosed area is too small.  Cue "clingy curtain syndrome"!

    Heating......almost always could be better.  Disabled people invariably take longer to get dried and dressed so the level of heating, especially in the colder months, needs to be improved.  (Best room we have used was in Looe, where there is under floor heating)

    Draught proofing.......as the entrance door is usually directly from outside, there should be much better draught proofing, it is often decidedly chilly near the door, and this does not help with the temperature in the room.

    Layout......when the room is large, why are the toilet and basin often crammed close together in one corner?

    Like  peedee and his OH,  we often find using our own facilities much more satisfactory!

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #25

    It would be good if someone from HO could respond regards the question of why an organization as large as our does not have a Disability Officer.

  • peedee
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    edited October 2019 #26

    I have never heard of any organisation of any size having a Disability Officer! That said why would it be necessary? There is ample guidence and regulations on requirements in the Building Regulations. I have no idea who draws up building plans in the Club but who ever it is I would expect them to be fully acquainted with the Building Regulations.

    peedee

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2019 #27

    Disability Officer?, I did some research out of interest as I’ve not heard of a DO. They are mainly found in education facilities ie-colleges, universities & schools👍🏻. Every day is a school day(no pun intended).

  • rayjsj
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    edited October 2019 #28

    They are the attachments ,widely seem this year that are wasting thousands of gallons (estimate might be more) of fresh water onto the ground, and sometimes over my trousers and shoes. 

    So thats what they are supposed to do ? Another potty club idea.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #29

    Another potty club idea.

    Another water authority requirement

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2019 #30

    Maybe a water authority requirement but why only ever seen on club sites? 😕

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #31

    Probably because the taps have been replaced when refurbished since a change in the regs required that anti backflow taps have an air gap rather than a spring? Only a guess. No idea otherwise.