Barn Owls as pets!!!!

nelliethehooker
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Most concerned today!! We saw a couple of large guys with 3 Barn Owl chicks, of about 6 weeks of age, out by Wooler Common Ponds. They had placed one chick onto the branch of a tree and were taking multiple photos of it. I guess they would be doing the same with the other two in turn. I enquired whether they were going to release them in time, but one guy said that he reared birds of prey and these would go to other people. I then ask if they were for display purposes but he replied that they were going as pets!! Unbelievable that some people should want a Barn Owl as a pet and that the guy was obviously selling them for a profit. I suppose that the photos would have been posted on line and the birds would be passed onto the highest bidders. Disgraceful. I see that the Barn Owl Trust doesn't recommend them that they be kept as pets but it obviously allowed in this country. However the United States does not allow private individuals to keep native owls as pets--they may only be possessed by trained, licensed individuals while being rehabilitated, as foster parents in a rehabilitation facility, as part of a breeding program, for educational purposes. I wonder why we don't follow this practice.

Rant over.

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  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #2

    I couldn't agree more. As a child a friend had a pet jackdoor and later a tawny owl. Both had been found injured and nursed back to health by him. Neither could have been released back into the wild. The jackdoor raised from a chick, became almost inseparable from my friend and would fly free, rather weakly, outside in and around his garden returning to its aviary each night. That was some 60 years ago mind!

  • RedKite
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    edited October 2019 #3

    I Also agree NTH I prefer to see them flying about in the wild.

  • ABM
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    edited October 2019 #4

    Without putting yourself in danger of any form,  a foto or three of vehicles / people on a mobile then passed to the BTO  might help check on the validity of their claims.

  • ABM
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    edited October 2019 #6

    Good for you Nell,  very well done  !!

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2019 #7

    Spot on Nell

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2019 #8

    + 1  👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2019 #9

    Good for you Nellie. My Aunt had a couple of owls many years ago, both rescued injured, unable to go back to wild. She spent a fortune on them ensuring they had a good life, took them into the odd school to help children understand a bit more about them. They were never stroked or petted. 

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #10

    Check out the Barn Owl Trust for details about keeping Barn Owls in captivity, considering them as pets (not advised) and other requirements etc.

    I see you have looked at this Nellie but it certainly gives out the most comprehensive advice and information. 

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2019 #11

    Hopefully, Nell the BOT will let you know the outcome

  • ABM
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    edited October 2019 #12

    Very Confusing this wildlife stuff  undecided

    BOT  --  Barn Owl Trust

    BTO -- British Trust for Ornithology

  • Wherenext
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    edited October 2019 #13

    Good on yer, Nellie. 

    Rather disturbing occurrence for you. Let's hope the authorities agree with you.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #14

    Apart from the actual incident what got to me was the blatant way they were doing it, right next to a public footpath. I would have thought that they would have taken the birds away to a place well away from the public to take the photos.

    Thanks for your support. I will keep you all updated if and when the BOT get in touch.,

  • neveramsure
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    edited October 2019 #15

    It’s a tough one for me NTH.undecided

     I was on a CL site just outside Bridlington two years ago and the owner had a young Barn Owl that he kept very good care of, even down to weighing any food each day to make sure it stayed healthy. It would be released to fly free each day and it returned to his glove for food. It was a beautiful bird and he allowed my OH to wear the glove for it to land on. She was over the moon.smile

    As a wild-life lover I would rather see them in the wild though.

  • Freddy55
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    edited October 2019 #16

    I’m a bit surprised that they can be kept as pets? I could be way off, but  I thought they were an endangered species.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #17

    No word yet from the Barn Owl Trust, so disappointed. I might repost to BTO and see what they have to say, if anything!undecided

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2019 #18

    Tell them a Radio station have contacted you Nells, it’ll renew their interest, it works with the RSPCA-not interested until they think they can big themselves up👍🏻, sad but true😕

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #19

    I've sent the details to the RSPB tonight so watch this space.

  • ABM
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    edited October 2019 #20

    Will be watching with great interest, Nellie.wink

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #21

    Just a quick update.

    It's been over a week since I sent my e-mail to the Barn Owl Trust and I've not had a reply from them!! The RSPB did respond saying "Barn owls can be legally kept as pets if they have been reared in captivity, are fitted with a microchip or loose ring and have a licence known as an Article 10 which is issued by the government.". They went on to say that I should contact the RSPCA with my concerns.....talk about passing the buck! I suspect that I'd get a similar response from them, as I've no actual photos of the guys or of the poor chick as it fell from the tree.

  • neveramsure
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    edited October 2019 #22

    NTH, does that mean that these ones are legal as they are being reared from chicks?undecided

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2019 #23

    I guess it is a bit like passing the buck Nell but as I understand it the RSPCA have the power to prosecute where as the RSPB don’t.  

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #24

    Without actually asking the guys if they'd the relevant license one would never know. It's not right though, IMO.

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #25

    This is a tricky one, although we may all agree that it is reprehensible the law may well allow it! If so it's yet another instance when the law is clearly an ass!undecided

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2019 #26

    Correct, OP. It's a bit late now to do anything about it I guess. I just wonder why the BOT have not had the decency to respond to my e-mail..

  • ABM
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    edited October 2019 #27

    How very sad that "RSPB on Club Together" has not had any RSPB input since  4 / 07 / 2019 or we could have had some answers from the  Owls Mouth as it were wink

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2019 #28

    They probably appear when a recruitment drive is needed Muscles🤷🏻‍♂️😕

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #29

    If you look on the  RSPB web site they have a section about wild birds and the law. If anyone has concerns for the welfare of birds there is a contact number and how to report a suspected crime in detail. The section also gives a lot more information about Wild Birds and the Law.

    Here's the crime report   >LINK<

     

  • brue
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    edited October 2019 #30

    I should also add that the advice cautions against using social media in case this hinders investigations....so good luck Nellie if you are still concerned.

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2019 #31

    Whereas they use social media to get donations, plus if folk use social media it may be a complaint because they ignore complaints to them personally. Me?, I’ll always use social media when any big business leaves folk wanting. The days of ‘give us money & go away’ is over.