Stop increases in road tax for motorhomes.
Apologies if this has already been discussed or known about but if it has probally a good idea to keep it in the spotlight.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/268246
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According to the NCC there are 255,000 Motorhomes registered in the UK I don't know how accurate that figure is but can't be to far away. I agree it is going to be difficult.
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I thought that petition had sunk, or is this a different one to David Klyne's post previously?
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I am sure its the same but the nature of this forum is that threads get swallowed up never to be seen again!!! The petition is here https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/268246 It has had a reply from Government as it passed the 10000 signature mark. Whether people don't know about it but as JVB says it needs at least 100000 signatures for it to be discussed in Parliament. For that I suspect we would need to get a lot of our caravanning friends to sign as well.
David
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The thrust of these road tax increases appears to be to discourage us ( the vehicle buying public) from upgrading our more polluting older vehicles for cleaner newer ones ?? or have I got it wrong ? present M/H £265 per annum , new M/H, unknown but thousands over its first 5 years.
Present car £30 per annum. a new car..at least £140 and possibly also thousands over the first 5 years. So, No new motorhome, and no new car electric or otherwise for the foreseeable future.
Do they know what they are doing ??
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If you remove the word Motorhome & see it as a large engined polluting vehicle it is obvious that it’s just another cash cow that no Govt will lose the chance to raise tax revenue from🤷🏻♂️☹️
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...but why exclude the larger, more polluting 'over 3.5t' vans from the new legislation...?
theres always been an anomaly regarding mh which fall into these two categories (PLGV and PHGV) where the larger, heavier vehicle has a smaller VED.
that gap looks set to widen considerably, what message does that send?
as long as they hold the appropriate license groups, wont folk just buy larger vans or just upplate their small, light chassis'd vans to 3650kg.
yes, there might be the odd implication....lower speed limits etc but, hey, what a saving...
or as Ray suggest, dont blooming bother...
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The downside of up-plating is that there are a lot of restrictions on vehicles over 3500Kg from an access point of view.
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a 3500kg plated van can go into continental town centres, the same physical van upplated to 3650kg cannot.
also, that same van would be subject to lower speed limits, but also requires the driver to have different groups on their license to drive this 'now heavier' van.
its the plated weight that drives our rules and regulations.
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No, you will be pleased to know, it would not be easy to make it retrospective. Up until September of this year there has been no need for motorhome builders to add emission figures to the Certificate of Conformity so they are taxed as Light Goods Vehicles. The change in the rules now require motorhomes built from 1st September 2019 to have that information added and from that point VED rates will equate to emissions. The real sting in the tail is not so much that the VED will be based on emissions but that motorhomes will be treated the same as cars in that any motorhome costing over £40000 (the vast majority) will also be libel for an extra first year tax as its considered a luxury vehicle!
The nonsense is that if you buy £100000 motorhome weighing more than 3500kgs it will still be taxed as a goods vehicle and to add insult to injury the VED will only be £165 a year!!! Upplating might be an option from 3500kgs to take it into a lower VED range but as it will have the emissions on the Certificate of Conformity will it apply?
David
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So, I buy a NEW 3500kg goods van, and proceed to convert it into a Campervan (privately not by a registered converter) the whole works.But do NOT get the DVLA designation changed to motorcaravan. Van costs less than £40000, conversion is a completely seperate but extra cost. Vehicle is Now a PLG not subject to annual emission based charges ? or have I read it all wrong ?
I am now 'white van man' am I not ?
.These new laws seem as leaky as a sieve.
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If you add the tax for an initial purchase of a vehicle costing more than £40k to the additional tax for highest band emission for 5 years it comes to around £3700. About 6% on a new motorhome costing, say, £60k. That’s a big hit.
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Can someone explain what’s the difference between a Motorhome and a car which is bought / used solely to tow a caravan and why they shouldn’t be taxed the same?
I've always been a firm believer in the scraping of road tax and adding it to the fuel price. Then the more you use the more you pay.
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Perhaps there is not! However this change in VED impacts on motorhomers to a far greater extent than it does when buying a tow car. If I were to return to towing and needed to buy a new tow car I would have a massive choice of vehicles between £20000 to use under the £40000 threshold for the new "extra" tax imposed on motorhomes since 1st September. If I go the other way and give up caravanning to change to a motorhome the choice I have if I wanted, even a small coachbuilt motorhome under that £40000 threshold is almost non-existent. So in my view motorhomers have been targeted as a means of getting an easy increase in VED revenues. It would be difficult to argue against taxing all vehicles on emissions but for most people buying a new motorhome they have the double whammy of the extra VED because of linking it to emission plus the extra luxury car tax because by their very nature motorhomes are going to be expensive even if they are not particularly luxurious! The motorhome industry in the UK is relatively small compared to Europe and only time will tell whether these changes have any long term negative impact.
David
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The first year tax when a vehicle is first registered is £2135 for motorhomes with emissions higher than 255g/km which I am guessing would be almost all motorhomes (the 2.2 litre Peugeot diesel for example is 287 g/km). So, I am presuming that this will be included in the “on the road” price quoted by dealers. They would also have to pay the higher tax for a vehicle selling at over £40k if applicable. The buyer would then pay the higher tax for a further 4 years. Something I will be asking at the NEC when I look at new vehicles.
This is going to increase the list price by around £2500 which will have an interesting affect on the secondhand market.
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Just a correction to the above, apparently the luxury tax only starts the second year so is years 2 - 6. The £2135 is correct for the initial purchase.
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