Dogs and Touring

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  • EasyT
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    edited September 2019 #542

    As you might have noticed I visit Southport once a year and probably have done a dozen times in the last 15 years. At least once a year. We have a walk around Hesketh Park at some point. It is very popular with dog owners as well as others out for a stroll. I have not encountered problems with dogs. I have not noticed signs about areas where dogs are permitted off lead but in most of the park I have noticed dogs on leads but in an outlying section less used by non dog owners I have noticed dogs off lead but not elsewhere. I never gave further thought but probably regular users are aware that dogs are permitted off lead in that area. Without proper signage I have no idea how a visitor would know where the demarcations are. The area where I have encountered dogs off lead is definitely different in character to the rest of the park

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2019 #543

    https://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/news/southport-west-lancs/new-dog-laws-sefton-dog-13331701

    Here’s a link to what Sefton Council have put in place. Note that like the proposal for our town, it has been amended after consultation with the local community. It all sounds perfectly reasonable and respective, but perhaps requires better signage and explanation to visitors who may not be as familiar as local residents.

     

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #544

    can you fence in a sea? innocent

     

  • huskydog
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    edited September 2019 #545

    The S must have drifted out to sea cool

  • Princewood
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    edited September 2019 #546

    Just an aside whilst mentioning Southport. Not a criticism as such, but just a request. Twice in the last few weeks at Southport and once at Cambridge, I have been unable to access the ladies without having to come into direct contact with another visitors dog.  The owners having tied their dogs to the fencing outside whilst they spent a penny.  Although happy with dogs I know, I can be quite anxious around dogs I don’t. So please ladies, whilst needing to spend a penny, if you are tethering your furry friend(s), could you please leave the entrance to the facilities clear. 😃

  • Barking50
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    edited September 2019 #547

    As a dog owner, so no axe to grind, and ex warden I agree that dogs should not be tied up unattended outside facilities.

    I made this plain to the regional manager of a site I was working on and was told the hooks for dogs had to be put in as it was one of his 'You Said, We did' responses.

    I still consider it an irresponsible practice to encourage dog owners to do this and will no doubt be a policy change the next time someone new comes in and wishes to sweep clean

  • moulesy
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    edited September 2019 #548

    Whilst I agree with the above and would never leave our dog(s) unattended anywhere on site (or elsewhere come to that), it is difficult for a single person with a dog. Leave it in the van when you go to the loo/shower? Doubtless that would also be complained about, especially if it dared to bark once!

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2019 #549

    I certainly would not have left my dog (or child) tethered unattended outside supermarkets as some do. If you are on your own and feel that the dog cannot be left in the caravan/motorhome then use own facilities.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2019 #550

    +1, & the owner has no control over the Dog re behaviour-aggression control or toileting👍🏻. If you/family are not in control of your Dog you should not travel with it.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited September 2019 #551

    I often see dogs left tried up outside on club sites (and other places) and sometimes they look scared to bits, and often others will try and reassure them while their owner comes back.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #552

    So a single dog owner is damned it they leave it alone in the caravan & damned if they leave it tethered to the provided rings/hooks outside the toilet block. On occasion I've left Molly tethered outside a site toilet block on the way back from the morning walk rather than go back to the caravan first .... sometimes when you've got to go ...

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #553

    Sandra Bullocks .....

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2019 #554

    Ah, there’s nothing like a well thought out argument😕

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #555

    Sometimes short is sweet & the less said the better. If I'd said what I wanted to, I'd be banned. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2019 #556

    Sometimes silence is by far the better option🤐

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #557

    Maybe ..... Maybe not. 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2019 #558

    Some of us(that’ll be responsible owners) have respect & forethought for others. Some think it’s a big joke. . .Until it’s too late & it becomes a news item. I’m one of the former👍🏻

  • derekcyril
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    edited September 2019 #559

    A couple of years ago ,the other club started putting hooks outside shower blocks . The reason was that people were taking them into toilets and even taking them into showers to was them down .  So common sense hook outside 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2019 #560

    Well there ya go. You should seriously consider if owning a Dog is really for you. . .No offence👍🏻

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #561

    I find that a completely ridiculous & stupid comment. Dogs are capable of being left for a few minutes while its owner goes into a shop or toilet block though Molly wouldn't take her eyes off the entrance for the whole time she was tethered. In reality, she's been left alone like that for only a few times in the 10 yrs we've had her.

    How does tying a dog outside a building for just a few minutes show disrespect for others? I can't work that out! Obviously no offence intended!

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #562

    So ... the solo caravaner/motor homer arrives on site to book in. Dogs are not allowed in the CC office, there'll be those that say the dog shouldn't be left alone in a vehicle at all .. how does that person book in? Shout through an open door?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2019 #563

    None taken. Dogs are not preprogrammed from childhood like you & me who need to adhere to the constraints that society expect. A Dog can be spooked into attack mode in seconds. The fact she doesn’t take her eyes off the entrance is due to separation anxiety. That is a reason why she could attack a toddler gripping her whilst she is in a bad place mentally. Rare?, yes but it can happen. If someone was with her they would see the potential for harm & do something about it. Attack is from the fight/flight mode we have, in her case flight is not an option due to being tied up☹️

  • SeasideBill
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    edited September 2019 #564

    Most people wouldn’t be so ridiculous as to object to a dog being left inside the car/van for the few minutes it takes to book in. It’s the irresponsible dog owners who leave their mutt inside the van or awning to bark incessantly for several hours while they go out that cause the nuisance.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2019 #565

    Expect the unexpected I say. I had an interesting encounter this afternoon here in North Berwick. I was sat on tailgate of our car, reading  map book, and sort of keeping our Lab company (too warm to leave him in car, plus combination of a crippled dog and a 90 year old is a bit of a nightmare!😱) when a nice little lad shot over and told me how much he liked dogs,  and could he say hello. Of course I said yes, as our Lab is so soft and loves everyone. However I hadn’t bargained on how little boy was going to say hello......before I could react he had thrown his arms around dog and started to kiss his face! His Mum and Grandma were most apologetic, and he was hauled off getting a lecture about just stroking, not hugging. Pooch of course didn’t bat an eyelid, but I could imagine some would react. He was a nice little boy, and did ask, but his enthusiasm got the better of him. No one hurt though😁

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #566

    You say that without knowing Molly at all ...... I know for a fact she wouldn't attack anyone/toddler, whether tied up or not.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #567

    This forum is virtually unique in that when some people have an opinion on something and in their eyes that is FACT. If someone disagrees with it, then they're wrong and being irresponsible if that other person does things differently, whether that is being expected to keep their children in sight at ALL times or what they should do with their dog.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited September 2019 #568

    So, it’s a fact that your dog wouldn’t attack anyone. I hope you’re right but I suspect many dog owners claim something like that following a dog -v- child tragic event.

     

     

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2019 #569

    Correct .. Fact ... ... she wouldn't attack anyone, least of all a child, she adores them

  • SeasideBill
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    edited September 2019 #570

    I suspect the 8,000 or so people attending hospital each year with dog related injuries may be a bit sceptical about that.

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2019 #571

    The majority of dog related injuries are as noted with what seems the majority of parents "caused" as a result of being unable to have any control over any thing children and their pets inclusive