Looks like I need a new tow car

Ph1lTurner
Ph1lTurner Forum Participant Posts: 51
edited August 2019 in Towcars & Towing #1

I have a Bailey Ranger 540/6 (2008) and is towed by a 2002 Volvo V70 2.5 automatic. It towed lovely.

Well I was coming back over the weekend from my hols at Abbey Wood (lovely site by the way) and along the A303 I had a sudden rev and the message "Transmission service required". Had a word with my garage and from Longleat area I carefully nursed the Volvo home 2 1/2 hours. Went in and had fluids, etc. changed and it isn't clicking into 3rd gear. They said just use for a week to see if it begins to work and the message "Transmission service required" has come up again.

Really beginning to look like I need to get a new tow car.

Our other car is a 2006 Ford Focus Ghia 1.8 TDCi. This site gives it a "possible" towing rating match while the tow car info site is a bit more favourable although I would need to purchase and install a tow bar for the car.

Would you think this is a good match or better to get something more specific? Just wouldn't know where to start. Diesel or Petrol? Any brand better than others (I did like my Volvo V70 although for general use it was a bit big). We don't have a lot of money so age I think would be around 2010.

Any thoughts appreciated.

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  • Tinwheeler
    Tinwheeler Forum Participant Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭
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    edited August 2019 #2

    Have you considered having the Volvo repaired?

  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218
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    edited August 2019 #3

    According to web figures a standard Focus is about 95%. A Ghia will weigh a bit more, so possibly 90%. Should be OK for an experienced user, particularly if you plonk some heavy kit, awning etc in the car.

  • flatcoat
    flatcoat Forum Participant Posts: 1,571
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    edited August 2019 #4

    Try searching on a Volvo specific forum. It may be a known issue and fix. If fixable at sensible money try an independant Volvo specialist. Otherwise use the Focus and bide your time. You might find the Focus is perfectly ok, probably more economical and unless you miss the auto keep it. Have you had the Volvo autobox serviced before this issue cropped up? 

  • Milothedog
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    edited August 2019 #5

    Is it of the type that allows you to drive the car as a semi auto by shifting the selector to a different position, i.e. select the gears manually ? If so, and you car get all gears driving like this, then in all likelihood its worth looking in to getting it repaired as its possibly a valve block or electrical solenoid issue. Either way, before you give up on the car, and if the people who did the fluids are not, get an independent auto transmission specialist to give you a diagnosis / opinion.   

  • TonyBurton
    TonyBurton Forum Participant Posts: 269
    edited August 2019 #6

    I had  1.8tdci Focus. It was a good tow car. You need to check the kerbside weight yourself or look at the unladen mass in the V5 log book document. The on-line sites can be very misleading.

  • Ph1lTurner
    Ph1lTurner Forum Participant Posts: 51
    edited August 2019 #7

    Ok thanks everyone. I contacted 2 auto transmission specialists and one just quoted to me £2000 to fix it. The other said come in for a test £40-60, but the problem is getting there. My garage knows the person well and said a range rover cost £3K to resolve. The issue is that my car due to age,. As soon as it hits 20mph it tries to go to 3rd gear and starts revving and so you lose power and speed. What makes it worse is I'm on a hill so I'd be surprised if I can get the car and van to a speed where it will jump from L -> L4 (jumping gear 2 - gear 4).

    The garage is going to get a price to fix a tow-bar to the Ford. I would then like to take the van out for a weekend in Sept/Oct locally to see how it handles. If ok then good, but if not at least that gives me the winter to sort out a better towing car.

    Thanks

  • Ph1lTurner
    Ph1lTurner Forum Participant Posts: 51
    edited August 2019 #8

    Hi Tony,

    Just checking the Bailey Ranger is max weight is 1300kg. On the V5 (G - Mass in service) is 1426Kg.

    So 2726 Kg together well below legal limit, but as mentioned can put a few heavy things in boot to help weight.

     

    Regards

    Phil.

  • geoffeales
    geoffeales Forum Participant Posts: 322
    edited August 2019 #9

    if you do need a new car I strongly advise you find something that's a GOOD match. Having changed from a 4x4 about 2 years ago I got so fed up with watching every kg on every trip I've gone back to a 4x4 again!

  • Ph1lTurner
    Ph1lTurner Forum Participant Posts: 51
    edited August 2019 #10

    Thanks for your thoughts. I am looking around.

  • paul56
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    edited August 2019 #11

    Have a look at TD Mondeos - bit more weight than the Focus and ours used to pull our Bailey Pageant (S7) 1450 max kg easily. There are loads around so should be able to find one at a decent price. 

  • markmacd
    markmacd Forum Participant Posts: 42
    edited August 2019 #12

    Jeep Grand Cherokee.

    We have no problems towing with that

  • lornalou1
    lornalou1 Forum Participant Posts: 2,169
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    edited August 2019 #13

    Totally agree Mark, and if you get a bigger heavier van in the future it will cope without swapping car.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2019 #14

    Trouble is .... you then have to replace a big tow car with another big tow car

    Been there .... doing that 😊

  • lornalou1
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    edited August 2019 #15

    That's if your one of these that like to change every couple of years but don't have to with a GC. You won't want to change it. As they say "each to their own". winksealed

  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2019 #16

    I tend to keep cars for a while  ..... I wasn't sure when I test drove a Grand Cherokee  🙄

  • asda160
    asda160 Forum Participant Posts: 87
    edited August 2019 #17

    I think as suggested get it repaired. 

    Join the Volvo forum Click here.

    Ask the same question. 

    There are a couple of learned members on there, one is called Che5hired and another called Clan.

    If they pop up and answer listen to what they suggest. 

    They will say get the codes read because as soon as you got the dash message " Transmission Service Required", codes were stored in the TCM (transmission control module).

    You will need a Volvo specialist to read them. That will be either a dealer or independent Volvo specialist. You may be able to get a forum member local to you who has the Volvo diagnostic program to read the codes for you. 

    My bet is on the control valve body in the gearbox. There is a good chance that dirt from overused transmission oil has blocked one or more solenoids within the control valve. Note that the Aisin autobox in your car is used in a large portion of manufacturers cars when a real torque converter box is prescribed by the vehicle maker. It needs oil changes to keep performing well. 

    Unusually Volvo claim it to be a sealed for life unit which does not need the oil changing but then if you read the manual deeply it states change every 50k in arduous driving conditions... Like towing maybe? 

    If your car is diesel then also(I think & ignore me if it's not) you have the earlier VW derived indestructible 5 pot engine. Why change to a lesser capacity can only just tow it vehicle? 

    So for my money, and as a fellow Volvo owner so yes I am biased, repair it. If it was to cost £2k to repair that's just short of £6 per day over 12 months or less if you keep it longer. 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2019 #18

    It's not unusual for a manufacturer to claim their auto box is sealed for life, I know that both Vauxhall & Mercedes claimed the same thing but then later suggested a mileage at which an oil/ATF change might be a good idea.