Oops - RTC involving caravan
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It would be interesting to know how fast he was going. assuming the lorry with the dash cam was doing close to 60mph he past him quite quickly.
It made me think, I cant recall ever passing a lorry going down hill ?
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Slower, indeed, Mikey. It’s the key, I feel. The driver was very lucky to survive and the dog doubly so.
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Too fast indeed, interesting how many motorists just pass by.
Better vid here
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Oops just started another post on same subject - now Deleted User. I was surprised just how fast that snake developed and the outcome, certainly gives credence to why caravans are speed restricted as they are and how its best to stick to it.
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They didn’t just pass by. Some were forcing their way through while people were running down the road to reach the driver. I despair of the human race at times.
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Some years ago my OH, visited an "old" school friend who had moved to Leeds ,on the way back she fell on the platform, people just walked round her and just boarded the train ,It was a young German couple who came to her aid,then the train manager assisted her to a seat near his compartment (she would not go to hospital ) he phoned me at home so I could meet her,at Kings Cross, a wheel chair with attendent(much to her embarrassment)was also waiting
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What an amazing video! It is all there - this needs to be kept for training purposes.
We can't see the speed, but someone could count Armco posts and calculate that for us. I see the caravan as being heavy compared to the tow vehicle, low on suspension and nose down as well. The caravan swaying as it leaves the bow wave of the truck. The tow vehicle drifting towards the barrier and the "tail wagging the dog".
And the real dog - not restrained as required by law - wasn't impaled on something when it was thrown out, didn't get squashed by the rolling tow vehicle or squished below the skidding caravan. My great worry with that situation is that people stop and try to be "helpful" by trying to catch the dog and end up getting hit by the inconsiderate passing vehicles.
Coming toward that I'd be puting my vehicle sideways aross both lanes before I got out to help. Folk just won't be considerate and stop for a few minutes. You have to do what you can to make them stop so the scene can be as safe as one can quickly make it.
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I looked at the video a few times and it seems to me that it was caused, not because of the speed but possibly incorrect loading of the van. Many of us have overtaken HGVs on a dual carriage way but I have never felt that the caravan was going to snake. I feel that he had loaded a lot at the back for it to go like it did.
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If you watch carefully Nav, you can see the back window of the vehicle burst as it rolls over and over. Debris falls out of back of car, including a small pooch carrier. The dog then emerges seconds later from this pet carrier. That is one lucky little dog.
My OH spent his working life digging folks out of smashes like this. Most of the accidents were down to speed or fools driving badly in poor conditions. We see it daily. Some people seem to think they are immortal and it won’t happen to them. The common sense gene seems to get diluted. Thankfully in this instance no one was killed or badly hurt.
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Thanks. I see so little on my tiny screen.
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In 2011 we had the same kind of problem on our way to Hull to get the ferry to Rotterdam, both just retired.
At that time we had been towing caravans for some 33 years.
Just after overtaking a lorry (not downhill) but there was a motorway bridge over us. We got a wobble, a bad one, OH thankfully got it under control and we lived to tell the tale.
The lorry driver saw what was happening and pulled into the middle lane and held all the traffic back, giving us time to get the caravan under control.
The caravan was 7.4m long and was we realised later rear heavy.
At that time we didn't have ATC fitted to the van, which we feel 'might' have helped. We got it fitted on our return to this country.
After such a fright we never loaded 'anything' under the rear fixed beds again.
It only takes one fright like that and you see things so much differently .
As said we had been towing for over 33 years all over Europe with never an issue, it only takes a second for it to happen but it feels like a year at the time.
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Thank goodness you were safe TG.
It frightens me at times watching what is being towed along our motorways and main roads. Too fast, mismatched outfits, nose up, nose down, no attention to what is going on around them in terms of lorries, coaches........ You can guarantee every tour to see a few out there.☹️
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To see some of them you would think they were trying to outrun a pyroclastic flow.
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On our most recent trip to Fairlight Wood site, it was interesting to see quite a few new arrivals towing with just one or no extended mirrors.
One guy was towing a fairly new twin axle Sterling with a Seat Alhambra, which is quite a narrow people carrier and had no mirrors fitted.
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Feel sorry for all the occupants apart from brain dead driver ,,seen so many over the years { hgv } driver , On brake or accelerate , thats a funny one , if you ease of and feather brakes ,works ,same as tad faster . No ime not perfect had the tail wagging the dog once ,{ bad loading } but if you dont drive to fast you can correct it
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Brain dead isn’t a particularly nice term, but you do question the reasoning of one or two on the roads. If I was the passenger I wouldn’t be accepting those kind of speeds towing. I’ve seen such behaviour with children onboard as well.
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The video was featured on our local BBC news tonight with a warning to drivers to take care.
It was confirmed that the two occupants and the dog survived without serious injury. Lucky, or what?
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Miraculous really, dread to think what could have happened had something been in outer lane going other way.
Reminds me...we once brought traffic to a halt on A38, along with an MG driver alongside. Dog had got out of an HGV and was running loose down carriageway. Thankfully it ended well, I managed to shepherd dog away from other carriageway and through a field gate. HGV driver appeared shortly after, in tears. Both were fine. There was no honking or impatience then, but I wouldn’t dare do it nowadays. Far more traffic, and a lot less consideration. So much busier now those roads.
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dread to think what could have happened had something been in outer lane going other way.
The really lucky people were the occupants of the two cars that weren't travelling just in front of the lorry.
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Video is a bit blurry but looks like a landcruiser Colorado 1900kg towing a 2017 swift challenger580 1513kg . The landcruiser could be a few years old so the rear shocks and springs could have been worn contributing to the instability. I also suspect the van was overloaded, rear underbed storage??
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He could have had all the gadgets required fitted and working properly. It was the speed he was doing that caused the accident.
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