Dogs and Touring
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A little story..........
we started our recent trip at Ayr CAMC site and our daughter and grandson joined us for 3 nights. There were plenty of dogs on site and he was very interested in them, standing at the window and watching them go by on their walks etc. He calls them woof woofs.
The other day, OH was looking at some photos from our trip, some of them showed caravans on various sites. Callum came over to look and when he saw a picture with caravans in it he immediately pointed to the screen and said woof woof, even though there were no dogs in the picture.
So even a 16 month old associates caravans with dogs!
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That's because they bury their heads in the sand when it come to problems , how can a leisure Industry that caters for dog and non dog owners not know how many of their members are in fact dog owners ,how can they spend Club money on dog related upgrades if they have no clue as to how many dogs are on each site
it's the first thing in business is you know your demographics
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Oh dear! If only I'd realised it was a "little joke" - it never actually struck me that you did jokes David. Still, wouldn't it be good to stick with posting about dogs (as per Ro's OP) in this section, rather than deliberately trying to provoke a "type of reply". And, even better, the same could apply to posting in other sections of the forum too - you know - about UK sites in the UK section, overseas sites in the overseas section etc. A radical idea I suppose but maybe worthtrying?
PS - how does it go "I'd rather you talk to me than about me"!
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Strange though that I haven’t met the problems.
Neither had I until the last 2 years TW. I thought last year it was down to being on Club site in peak seaason (site full and lots of dogs) but this year on a short 10 day tour in June involving 4 Club sites, on two of them I had dog mess to contend with from unknown sources. I hope this is not an increasing trend.
peedee
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I was speaking to the sites department at EGH ,earlier this year and dogs came up in the conversation,and it was something that was not realised? that it was causing "friction" with some members,when untrained owners were not aware that their dogs were causing problems to members, and it would be "passed up the chain" for more senior officers to look at ,and added to the booking process
Maybe it will be part of the next ‘alteration’ the website I vaguely recall being mentioned on CT some time back. It will be interesting to see if this happens & if it includes the site rules/advice to dog owners.
Having said that I find it difficult to believe that HO were not aware of the friction regarding owners/dogs behaviour on sites. Surely Rowena would chat even if casually about CT posts to other members of staff.
IMHO If there is 'friction' then education is a way forward.
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Well, on a long tour in June we used a total of 14 sites, PD, some club, some C&CC, some private and I can honestly say I didn’t see one single 💩 anywhere despite there being lots of dogs so I hope your experience isn’t becoming the norm.
I’m heading off to a club site this morning so I’ll keep my eyes open.
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HD and PD, I can only see a count of dogs being useful if charging is contemplated. A dog walk and a poo bin is a dog walk and a poo bin whether there be 4 or 40 dogs on site.
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Just a thought - on our stay at the highly recommended Ross Park last year there were probably more dogs than on any comparable club site we've stayed on. They do not charge for dogs. On arrival we were given treats for each of the dogs and told about the several (free) poo bag dispensers to be found around the site. Maybe the club should "follow" what this excellent commercial site is doing. (Cue howls from non dog owners about why dog owners should get freebies like this rather than being charged for/deterred from staying)
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|I don't know if this applies to everyone who has visited a site but for the four sites mentioned in my previous post I have received a request to complete a survey which I have done. On the questionaire is one about did you take a pet with you? I have always answered "no", so I am wondering if you said "yes" are there any further questions, if so what are they?
It might give some information on the Club's line of thinking
peedee
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You’re lucky he was behind the window. My grandchildren like to visit our lovely local beach which at various times of the year is either no dogs allowed or dogs on leads only. If you visit at ‘no dogs’ time they’ll always be dogs there, if you visit at ‘dogs on leads’ time, they’ll always be plenty of dogs running about freely. They jump up at the kids, bark (sometimes growl) at them when they shout or run and, of course, poo and pee all over the place .Obviously I’m not suggesting these are CAMC members, but this isn’t isolated behaviour, it’s what plenty of dogs owners behave like in all locations without enforcement of rules.
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PD - if I remember correctly the following up to answering yes is, firstly what type of pet followed by what were your impressions of the facilities provided (was the site dog friendly etc) and can you suggest ways of improving the provision. But someone with more recent experience may be able to give you more details.
Thinking about it next time I might suggest what is done at Ross Park as described above!
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PD - if I remember correctly the following up to answering yes is, firstly what type of pet followed by what were your impressions of the facilities provided (was the site dog friendly etc) and can you suggest ways of improving the provision. But someone with more recent experience may be able to give you more details.
Thanks M but it is no substitute for keeping track of dog numbers visiting sites.
peedee
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(Cue howls from non dog owners about why dog owners should get freebies like this rather than being charged for/deterred from staying)
Howl howl howl.
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I can’t say we haven’t seen the odd problem with dogs on Club Sites, because I can recall a couple of instances. I had words with a neighbour at Barnard Castle. We were actually sat together saying hello, and I noticed his tied up dog have a poo behind his van. He hadn’t seen it, but I did tell him so he could pick it up. (Tiny little dog, a Yorkie, so not a huge mound!) His reaction was astonishing with hindsight. He picked it up, glared at me and that was the end of us saying hello! He never spoke again.
Conversely, we have had someone over react when we arrived at Marazion one June. We were finishing pitching van, Airedale’s had been walked so were tied up to bumper of car, when Warden strolled across. He had been informed that “someone” was letting three Dobermans run loose and it needed sorting. He laughed when he saw our three sat quietly in a row. But you can imagine how we felt, to think that someone on the site was malicious and cowardly enough to try and spoil our stay before we had even been there an hour. All because we arrived with three dogs.
People can be very prejudicial, stigmatise anyone who has a lifestyle choice different from their own. Individuals who don’t behave appropriately and cause issues need to be educated, but to target a group for being different is just nasty.😕
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That's awful, Bill, must be frightening for them and certainly worse than anything they're likely to experience on a club site. You and they have my sympathy.
So tell me, what do you do in that situation? Do you have a word with the owners? Do you complain to your local councillor/council? Do you make it known to your local dog patrol officer (I know some beaches such as Perranporth have one and they are, rightly, very vigilant ). Or do you just sit behind your keyboard and complain on here about something which has absolutely nothing to do with the club or its sites.
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I didn't say it did, PD. I was just answering your request for information. Actually, now I come to think of it, I believe one of the questions might be "how many" but again, someone with more recent experience would have to confirm that.
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I am struggling to understand what you mean by that JVB, but can assure you he had a great time. He enjoyed the play area, supervised of course, and visited the swing park near the site too.
He had his first encounter with waves and had to be restrained from fearlessly wading straight in! He was soaked and very sandy afterwards.
Not many dogs on the beach there, but yes, those that were there were not on leads, despite there being plenty of children around.
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No need for the patronising twaddle, as is obvious to most, my post was about the lack of enforcement which has everything to do with this thread.
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OK, yes the last sentence was maybe a bit OTT for which I apologise.
Still, my question to you and others who complain so often on here remains - :what do you do about similar incidents at home and away from club sites where the "problems" are far more prevalent than anything which happens on club sites.What do you personally do about the situation you described on that beach?
I've already stated earlier in the thread that enforcement of the existing rules is the best way to deal with this "problem" incidentally.
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Jay I've reported your post so that those at HO should be aware in the near future. Doubt that it will make much difference though.
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Thanks - Hope it it passed on to the right person/department.
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Hi
just read some of the latest posts and it reminded me of my dog Patch he lived to be 17 he loved caravanning he was a very difficult rescue jack Russell but with time, patience and training helped by a great dog trainer in Barnsley he turned into the best he was so loyal, he won an obedience competition at Bromyard Downs club site.
The other thing about him was I trained him to do his business underneath the red dog bins easy for me to pick up and dispose of in the said bin there was a major flaw though he always thought post boxes were the same I obviously did not post the bag but disposed it in an appropriate bin. I really miss him although we still have his mate Daisy but she is 16 and blind,deaf and suffers with dementia we discussed if we should have another but my wife was not keen we have had dogs for around 45 years so I reluctantly accepted the situation.
I was recently 70 years old and to my surprise my wife gave me a present wrapped neatly and obviously a book ( we are not big at present giving after 48 years of marriage) I opened the book it was titled “ How to train your Puppy” yes permission was given and a few weeks later Poppy a cross Parson Russel and Toy Poodle has joined the family quite the best 70 th birthday present ever.
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Yes I know what you mean and that was on our minds but I really think in my case they keep me fit and now I have a target of living at least another 17 + years to look after this ball of fluff I would include a picture but can’t get it to work.
Regards
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