Is it a rip off?
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So many miss the point, Look at the increase in club site fees over the last few years, and I've for more than I want to remember.
And to say that we are not on the breadline is rubbish.. think of a young family with 2 or 3 children and then calculate the cost..in school terms, that is prohibitive !!!
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I rather think you miss the point, jod. Anyone genuinely on the breadline would not be contemplating a holiday or owning an LV. (Any such folk have my sympathy, btw.)
The cost of taking a family to club sites at peak times cannot be prohibitive as, for many, that’s exactly what they do.
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I think the rise was due to many being on school holidays for that period but having been on sites during that period and given the weather it probably failed as there was plenty of room even on one popular site.
Still although we were apparently fleeced we did claw a lot back on the electric used to heat the caravan.
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Well, Jack, I rather think it may be you who has missed the point. The club fees have indeed increased over the past few years, no-one is denying that. But the point is really whether they represent "value" for what they provide. If you make any comparison with similar sites on a like for like basis you will find that club site fees are just about the median. And I say that, not as some devotee of all things club, but as someone who researches before going away and mixing which sites I use to give me best "value".
As for your second paragraph - who, on this forum - can truly claim to be "on the breadline" if they own a van and towcar or a motorhome? Your definition if "breadline" seems to be different to mine. And finally, that family with 2 or 3 children would certainly be better able to afford a break at Treamble Valley than, say Haven Perran Sands in school holiday time. (I'll leave it for you to compare prices!)
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"No, I do not think so. We set a budget for our trips and have a pretty good idea of what we will spend, so we have a maximum price for sites. In UK this is an average of £20 per night, elsewhere we aim for no more than the equivalent of £15."
Kj - again, with the greatest of respect, I think you missed the point I was trying to make. You say that, on one hand, you are being priced out of club sites, but on the other you post this:
I include all food, wine, eating out, fuel, ferries, insurance, site fees, purchase of LPG, sightseeing.......everything.
Of this total, site fees per night will vary from 11 to 19 euros, though as noted above we did have one night at about 32 euros one year.
These are trips which vary between 2 and 4 months in length and have covered distances up to 7000 miles, but more often around 3000-4000 miles.
I think you, like us, may choose to use other sites where you consider them to be better value, but that is not the same as being "priced out" Anyone truly "priced out" of club sites would surely not be able to contemplate trips such as your final paragraph indicates?
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just the opposite for families I've found, there are many kids of a pound sites, and 'kids' in club land are defined as being under 18, not 14 or 16 as many non club sites charge. Also as awning and dogs go free club sites are often the best option for families.
Having two or three children up to18 will add on £2/3 per night, hardly prohibitive?
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As K actually states: Our average per night ( over there) varies between £50 and £65,
then he writes: vary between 2 and 4 months
even taking the lower figure and time away then that is £3000 per trip. That will buy a lot of club site night in the UK including the savings on ferry fares and fuel.
K is not being priced out of club sites at all, he is merely choosing to spend his money elsewhere (and why not) but it is very misleading to say so that he is being priced out of club sites.
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So if I decide that I am prepared to spend no more than £15 a night am I being priced out or am I simply pricing myself out because I am not prepared to spend more than £15? I consider that it would be my deciscion to deliberately price myself out. It would be outside my 'budget' not because I could not afford it but, perhaps, because I felt that for me, £15+ would not be value for money
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I think you mean the way they choose to budget for holidays, brue. And absolutely nothing wrong with that of course. But choice is the important factor surely? Choosing not to use club sites is one thing, being "priced out" implies lack of choice and that is not the case in the situation we're discussing.
(Sorry to Kj, it's got personal, in the literal sense, which was not the intention,)
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but not if reality is proves the reverse of that claim.
K has between £3000 and £6000 (based on his own figures) to spend on his trips, and chooses to spend that money in a certain way and after all that is his choice.
But he cannot then claim that club sites are pricing him out. All he can say is that he wants to spend that money somewhere else that give him him which he considers vfm. Nothing to do with being 'priced out' at all
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No, not in this case.
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Yes it is to do with priced out or whatever you call it, that's what price levels mean and how they affect usage.
Here's an example, we used to stay in an expensive hotel in Cornwall it's now super expensive for exactly the same rooms so we don't go there now.
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being "priced out" implies lack of choice and that is not the case in the situation we're discussing.
'priced out of club sites' implies I do not have the money to go to club sites. What K has shown he wants to spend a lot of money somewhere else.
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I'm sure KJ and many of us could go on paying x amount for a pitch but some of us make the decision that the value for money isn't there. I'm thinking of ageing facilities, choice of pitches etc etc. All sorts of things make people re-assess where they spend their money.
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you cannot change the meaning of words. Ask a hundred people what they think being priced out of something means, and see. I cant afford it and probably stronger than that meaning too, is the usual answer I've found.
But again if someone like K (sorry about this being personal) is on a fixed income and only went to CLs for a then maybe he could use the priced out speech, but not when he is spending so much (far more than I do on club sites) in going on his trips
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indeed but totally different to being priced out of club sites.
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Depends what your choices and perception of value might be. If someone has £3000 to spend for a holiday, then they will decide what is of value to them most. It might be cheaper site fees, it might be eating out less, it might be a more expensive site fees and not eating out at all. It might be going away for 4 weeks on a sub £20 site, it might be 2 weeks away on a £40 a night site. Individual choice, different values. There are in fact Club Sites that fit the under £20 model and the £40+ a night model. It’s if the site then suits circumstances that gives the value.
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really? ah well, you know best
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An easy get out
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I can say in all sincerity Brue that I truly applaud your generous spirit. The simple truth though is that I would not be making a sensible decision at all if it meant that I truly believed that, at this time of year, I could travel from site to site using sites of a comparable standard to CC sites for £15 a night any more than my believing that I could buy a brand new suitable tow car to tow my 1,500 kg caravan for £12k.
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