Slight of Hand "Head Line" Pricing

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #122

    +1

    I think you've got the meaning just right.

  • OnlyJen
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    edited April 2019 #123

    Getting back to the op and trying to avoid what is now the par-for-course "exchange of views regardless of content" by regular protagonists ....

    The club offers eye-catching headline prices to advertise its products:

    The club prices are rising rapidly:

    The club is a business not a club:

    These appear to be the main points of contention and I agree with ever one of them. The club is a business that offers possible but rarely feasible eye-catching offers and has recently escalated prices ahead of the RPI (or so I suspect based on my own experience)/

    Agree with everything.  It is no different to the loaf of bread I buy, the glass of wine I buy or anything else. If I think I can get better value or a better experience elsewhere then I go elsewhere.Why complain? The only way any business adapts to change is when it appreciates the need to stop it's existing customer base from walking away or needs to attract custom disenchanted from elsewhere.

    On that basis I still think the club site offers excellent value for a predictable and well-presented product.

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #124

    agree with two, but what is your evidence for club prices rising rapidly? what do you mean? every year? every month? Or the increase itself? (£1.40 over a year doesn't seem to be that bad for me personally)

    btw I didn't have you down as one of the ones that doesn't allow people to exchange their views on whatever (sort of your own censorship or moderating ideas?) without being called a protagonistundecided However thanks for the compliment smile

    - the leading character

    - an advocate or champion of a particular cause or idea.

  • brue
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    edited April 2019 #125

    My only further comment would be to say that more reviews are coming in with "expensive" in the title. I tend to sign in via latest activity, this is the time of the year when the reviews start to pour in and it's noticeable in the titles and comments.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #126

    I find that strange, as they knew the price before booking and before arrival? If they thought that then why did they carry on? Of course how many write reviews compared to those staying? 

    Perhaps they do think that, yet consider it good value? but sites continue to attract large numbers. I've never know an Easter break with so many sites completely full and whole areas completely full. The lakes has one pitch Saturday, Cotswold, only two pitches on the Friday, get in quick as there is one all weekend pitch at Great Yarmouth in East Anglia. None north west, the peak a handful across all sites.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #128

    costs getting higher and expensive are two different things. You mentioned expensive before not costs getting higher at all, which is it in the reviews? expensive or costs getting higher? Costs getting higher is just the usual ways of most things. 

    Of course they are a liberty to state if they are expensive as you say, what is strange is that they knew the price before going yet still went, and still complain. It does not make sense, to me at least. 

    Consider that many of the people staying over Easter work (otherwise why go at this short window) so that staying longer is not an option.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2019 #129

    None north west,

    There was loads of room this morning at Burrs  .... though obviously it could've got busier through the day 

  • OnlyJen
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    edited April 2019 #130

    Read my post.

    The evidence that you ask for is there, My experience. 

    So far this year I have stayed on 4 club sites that I have previously stayed on and I am paying probably around 40% more than I did up to 4 years ago. This week, 14th May, I stopped at Hunters moon, £22 per night compared to the £14 I paid in May 2016. I think an increase of over 50% in three years could constitute a rapid price increase.

    However, as I also make clear in my post I do consider the club still offers excellent value.

     

  • moulesy
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    edited April 2019 #131

    "However, as I also make clear in my post I do consider the club still offers excellent value."

    And at the end of the day, Jen, that is all that matters. I think those who use club sites do so because they've considered location, facilities, price etc and come to a rational decision that it works for them. Not because they're too stupid to realise they're being fleeced! smile

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #132

    I was talking about the Easter weekend using the late availability page

  • cyberyacht
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    edited April 2019 #133

    Anecdotal but I was at a wake this afternoon chatting to a former commodore of my sailing club who also caravans and one of his first comments was about the escalating site prices.

  • OnlyJen
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    edited April 2019 #134

    My return to "camping", after a 10 year lay-off due to others factors, was in 2014. 

    Quite interesting. I naturally continued where I left off, preferring CL's.  However I last remember paying around £4 a night and suddenly I'm paying two figures for a muddy field in the middle of winter. However I persisted, stuck in the mindset of "many years ago".

    Finally I got sick of my brand new camper looking like a bit part from a paschendale movie, encrusted in mud, and myself smelling like something that's just crawled out of a trench from the same movie.

    I wanted hardstanding, a hot shower, water which I did not have to trek over a swamp to get to. I booked into Tredegar house.

    It cost me £7.45 per night. I was astonished. In my view totally underpriced. Astonishing value as I stayed there for three nights and luxuriated on my hard standing, water 50 yards away, two showers a day to catch up to when I had nowt, civilised waste disposal, a nice warden to make local enquiries from.  

    If it was now twice the price then it would still be excellent value. Having just checked it would not be, around 20% more than then, so perhaps not all sites have had substantial price increase, perhaps only those where the club felt it was underpricing compared to regional competition, or, perhaps where the lessor had increased lease prices substantially.

    Either way, I really don't have to think twice about renewing my membership. 

     

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2019 #135

    Totally agree Brue. We are just back from 3 nights at Bridlington. It's where we wanted to be and we paid the £35.50 ( standard pitch) without complaint. It doesn't however prevent me from commenting that I think the CAMC have got the pricing wrong at this and several other sites. Last Friday and Saturday showed around 50 spaces on late availability, Sunday 60. Monday and Tuesday from my observation there were considerably more. OK it is full over the Easter weekend, most places in this part of the country are. It's the rest of the inflated Easter Peak that I think they need to address.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2019 #136

    I knew you were talking about Easter .... and Burrs has indeed got a lot busier this afternoon

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #137

    and of course prices for 'pitching' or whatever it's called, a boat/yacht/ship has gone down? 

  • brue
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    edited April 2019 #138

    Corners, if you were running a business I'd have my lifejacket on. wink

    Prices on sites now will fluctuate through two further bank holidays until they hit a peak in July and August. The average prices have to be taken into consideration and I think you'll find in the last few years, due to rising utility costs, changed employment laws etc plus a profit margin they have noticeably increased.

  • KjellNN
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    edited April 2019 #139

    Try Toolstation or Screwfix!

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #140

    indeed as shown for Jen a £1.20 per year increase is vastly noticeable.

    I'll be paying £1.40 more per night next Easter (and that is like for like), I suppose that could be a vast increase for some? If so don't pay it.

    Not sure what the life jacket is for or why you said it? Didn't have you down as play the man type but noted.

    I'd be quite happy if I was running the club atm and got the money/bookings the club is getting in, wouldn't you?

  • Navigateur
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    edited April 2019 #142

    To the great bulk of the members who use The Caravan Club sites it probably does not matter one iota what the precisely calculated increase in price has been, but what will matter is what they think the price increase has been.

    From the number of full sites, I would asume that that they are content with what they think the increase has been.

  • peedee
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    edited April 2019 #143

    I'd be quite happy if I was running the club atm and got the money/bookings the clubs is getting in, wouldn't you

    Jumping to conclusions there Corners. I would wait until you've seen the accounts. I have been told you cannot trust the availability figures and of course they don't show what happens in the week.

    peedee

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #144

    but every years the accounts are good? But yes you are right.

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2019 #145

    Black Knowl is full this weekend and the majority seem to be young families 

  • Navigateur
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    edited April 2019 #146

    I wonder if the Club has worked out yet what the new breed of "tourer explorer" IS like after all . . ?

  • peedee
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    edited April 2019 #147

    Isn't that what you would expect on a sunny EASTER weekend  JVB? It is full here as well and it is not a Club site!

    peedee

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2019 #148

    But  would it be full if the prices were(as some of the vocal pensioners say)to highsurprised

  • peedee
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    edited April 2019 #149

     Given staycation is the holiday theme this year there is bound to be a fair number willing to pay over the odds amonngst the working population. Pensioners are more discerning some of necessity.

    peedee

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2019 #150

    But as mentioned to me and two other oldies by two much younger working age parents with young children when here last week ,we oldies are out of touch with today's salaries and costs of running a successful  leisure  company,and they both were quite comfortable with what they were paying for their holiday heresurprised

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2019 #151

    Screwfix are part of B&Q wink