So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?
Comments
-
m also a member of this club and I'd like to see them doing a bit more for the impromtu touring element of the club.
You are welcome to call impromtu at any CC site (although I would telephone on touie at least). If there is space you will be more than welcome.
0 -
agree Alan, but if touring here between early June and mid August, as we do, sites will inevitibly be booked....especially weekends.
unplanned touring can be hard work if that's the case....
if a few pitches we only available to be booked (say) 24/48 hrs in advance and had a max stay of 24/48 hrs this would mean a very high turnover with likely availability..
again, if they're booked, they're booked (like any other pitch) but it gives those informally touring a much better chance of picking up a pitch....
yes, we could all sit down with a diary and a map (as you do) at the back end of one year and have everything planned out.....but I prefer a bit of spontenaiety, route changing, duration changing, whatever...and I'll be 'somewhere else' touring there, not planning next year's line up of cc sites.
i realise this isn't for everyone, but, given a better chance to tour in this way would suit some over the 'book everything months in advance' process which is pretty well essential under the current system.
as a result, althpugh we do use some club sites (with pals) and CLs etc, we also use other forms of touring, with other providers, as our own club doesn't provide the same flexibility.....IMV anyway.
2 -
as a result, we use other forms of touring, with other providers, as our own club doesn't provide the same flexibility.....IMV anyway.
I doubt that there are many mainstream providers that have a system where you cannot book earlier than 48 hours ahead in mainland UK. Are there?
1 -
...but that's the whole point....Stuart is suggesting the club takes the bull by the horns as there is so little of this type of provision here, and that the club has trumpeted its 'Motorhoming' affinity...
i wonder if the club will ever come up with an innovation ahead of the competition? to me, it's certainly not an innovator.
the continent provides this type of facility without the need to book, and if full, find another, there's one round the corner...but it's rarely an issue.
if there were (say) three or so quick turnaround pitches at most sites, you might be able to go on to the next one (if you didn't want to use a full fat pitch).
hence my comment about enabling booking (something not normally associated with this type of offering).
...and where chargeable (as these would obviously be) a card, a vehicle number or whatever to get through the barrier...
its not physically difficult to implement, it's done all over Europe in this way, it just needs the understanding and the desire...
the land and other infrastructure is (pretty much) already there...but the 'ethos' of casual touring has got lost amongst the 'must book' culture.
3 -
if there were (say) three or so quick turnaround pitches at most sites, you might be able to go on to the next one (if you didn't want to use a full fat pitch).
So you are still talking about pitches that, in some way, don't meet CC standards that you would wish to see installed on CC sites just for those that can't find anywhere better. Are you still talking of using the site car parks?
Would these 'semi skimmed' pitches that you desire come with the CC recognised fire gaps and EHU or would they be reserved for thrill seekers who also did not need EHU?
When you said'as a result, we use other forms of touring, with other providers, as our own club doesn't provide the same flexibility.....IMV anyway.' I, not unnaturally,assumed that the other forms of touring offered by other providers did.
4 -
if full, find another, there's one round the corner..
And just where is this corner then?
I understand from the map supplied by the Club that there are a very few places in deep south-west England where the Club has sites in close proximity where a member might be able to drive around of an evening in increasing desperation as there is repeatedly "no room at the inn" but that is not something I would want as part of my touring experience. Especially day after day.
0 -
When I have toured in such a way at peak times Navigateur I usually phoned the next desired site the day before moving so as to confirm a pitch for the next night. If a desired CC site was full after speaking to the site I would search and contact alternatives after asking the site if they knew of any nearby. When away for several weeks I have been known to book a CC site a week or so ahead for the busy Saturday night leaving flexibility in the interim period.
Of course as I now move slower I tend not to want a two night stop etc as I am happy to move every 5 nights and also happy to book in advance after deciding what route I may desire. Would not suit some but suits me
0 -
I'm getting a bit confused now (not difficult at the best of times!
).BB - are you saying now that you want "ad hoc touring" with the ability to be able to book to guarantee one of these quick turnaround pitches?
Well, since you can stay for 1 night on a club site and, for most of the year at most of the sitest there is always availability, it's surely possible to do this?
So if the club were to concede that you could go without EHU for a modest reduction in pitch fees, surely that would be just what you and Stuart O are looking for?
No need for elaborate reconstruction or pinching of areas which others value?
0 -
So if the club were to concede that you could go without EHU for a modest reduction in pitch fees, surely that would be just what you and Stuart O are looking for?
and who would police this 24x7, not the wardens and not all MH/caravanners and yes you would have to offer this to caravanners, are honest Joe's.
by prolonging this discussion i feel we are only making it more difficult for the club to respond, difficult now to see the wood from the tree's.
0 -
Just suggesting it in the spirit of compromise Rufs - though not really expecting it to satisfy those for whom nothing but 100% of what they want will do. And yes, it would be an option for any users.
As for policing, I think it would have to be taken on trust (I don't believe there is a great deal of abuse of club facilities now, why should that be any different?) but if any transgressions were spotted then have membership withdrawn instantly.
0 -
Don’t worry, Rufs. The club will respond IF it wants to and the thread will eventually run it’s course. 👍🏻
0 -
yes, to think that the club will respond (other than we have passed on your comments to... ) because a of a few posts on CT is rather naive?
How many regular posters are these on CT? out of how many Ct members? out of how many members?, out of how many who use sites?
I think the club would be incredibly irresponsible if it based its decisions based on CT rather than all the thousands who use club sites and are completely happy (including all those MHs)
0 -
..but it's not that easy to tour in that manner during the summer... everyone seems to book well in advance...
but booking everything in advance, while guaranteeing a pitch, makes for a pretty boring tour...doing exactly what was on the 'plan'...
alright for some, I guess...
bit, these days, theres no provision for the 'traditional' swerve left or right, go anywhere vanning...
my point is that, with just a few pitches set aside from the 'book a year ahead' system, impromptu touring (on cc sites, and in the spirit of the club and its declared MH inclusivity) would at least have a chance...
2 -
...but, we are not all the same....
it may be that someone has to revert to a CL/CS, britstop site, commercial, pub, car park, wild camp, the other club or whatever...but those who are used to pitching up away from caravan club sites (certainly overseas) won't be fazed by this...
1 -
But for most of the year it is possible, by your own admission.
So what you're really asking for is the club to take out (just a few) pitches just at the time of year when bookings are at their peak? Good luck with that one! Try suggesting it to Haven/Morris/Concierge! (The very sites you've long argued the club should be learning from and seeking to emulate)
1 -
we seem to be 'policed' well enough when choosing EHU (or not) over here....also, we know exactly what's been used if we do choose it as all sites (even stand alone ones) seem to able to install meters without going under or forcing guests away....
1 -
Why when there are so many CL and other 'night stops' are some so keen on stopping at a club sites?
Is it they want the club experience but at a much cheaper price? maybe and why not, we all want to get the best of things as cheap as possible (they must be the best otherwise logically why do they want to stay at club sites over the others like CLs night stops?).
But, but...they want the best of things while getting it at the expense of the rest of the membership and making other members more inconvenienced by taking up the car park, playing area/field... and denying others (MH and caravans) from booking a pitch so that their touring lifestyle can be achieved. They are selfish and they think that the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many (that only happens in Star Trek)
And then to justify all that inconvenience and expense (to motor homers and caravaners) they claim it's to make the club more inclusive, that is just pure nonsense. It is just to get club sites on the cheap. Has to be, otherwise use other non club sites to get what they want?
2 -
...and why shouldn't the club learn form some of those organaisations (which you quote with unswerving regularity) as they all have processes or standards in some areas which the club could learn from..
not everything they (or the club) does is right, but by emulating the best parts of all the competition will bring the overall standard up...
they aren't necessarily perfect, but the club has things it could learn from all these you quote...
but the crux of the OP, and of much of the arguing, is that Cc hasn't done much to embrace the way MHers tour...
ok, we've had the sop of the (loooong awaited) MHSP upgrades....still going...but no changes whatever (that i can see) that takes into account the fast turnaround 'quick visit and move' linear pattern of touring that is the very fabric of MH touring when compared to the 'pitch up for a week and explore (over and over) in the car' style that's typical of caravanners.
2 -
what's the 'club experience'?
0 -
winding up time again DD?
so you agree with BB that club sites are full of people who aren't savvy enough to know they are better, or even as he says maybe they are apprehensive about going elsewhere?
they are happy to book, happy to return. What more proof do you need?
0 -
that's all you could pick on from that? Oh well job done then
0 -
"...but no changes whatever (that i can see) that takes into account the fast turnaround 'quick visit and move' linear pattern of touring that is the very fabric of MH touring "
Are you speaking for yourself, BB? I see little evidence of that sort of "fabric of MH touring" being advocated by more than a very small number on here! I don't suppose you're willing to give an estimate of the proportion of club MHers (let alone MHers as a whole ) who would be touring the UK in that manner? (I know, going on and on and on.... but really some sort of answer would be nice! )
0 -
..it just struck me as an advertising strapline...
vapour....
0 -
you've harped on about this for ages...how can anyone (without taking statistics) know this sort of thing....
i certainly haven't done any sort of polling, so how can I give you an answer...
if it makes you feel any better I could say, I've only spoken to one person about this and he does the same as me so 100% of people polled tour like I do....
1
