Electric vehicle charging on site
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Can anyone answer from experience? - I have an Outlander PHEV and this can charge at up to 16amps from the 'granny lead'. That might be OK on a 'standard' 16amp outlet BUT would it trip the breaker if I tried to use the granny lead on a 10amp outlet in France?
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It certainly makes sense to put solar on the roofs of buildings. Why they aren't on all those new massive warehouses is beyond me.
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+ 1 👍🏻
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Not sure how you can charge at 16 amps using a 13 amp plug. That’s not allowed by the Regs. Even if you had a special plug with a UK configuration you shouldn’t connect to a domestic 13 amp socket. Are you talking about a fast charger with a Type 2 plug?
Anyway, the answer to your question is no. If you are taking 16 amps then with a 10 amp supply, French or otherwise, you would trip the EHU.
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Yes, we've been saying just the same thing for a while now. All that extra power, without the eye-sore which can be created by whole fields of solar panels in the wrong place.
A few windmills up there wouldn't hurt, either - they're already doing it in some places.0 -
Agreed, maybe I wrote in too much haste to make it clear I was hailing the breakthrough in technology, but definitely keener on them progressing to smaller, more affordable and less OTT things.
A bit like when computers filled whole rooms and did less even than my non-smart mobile phone
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The only question that I keep coming back to is - How much CO2 does a power station put out (for electricity used by electric cars) as apposed to the CO2 generated by petrol/diesel for the same number of vehicles?
Nobody seems able to answer that question which I think lies at the root of the overall problem.
I agree that solar panels on roofs in industrial areas are worth it.
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The percentage of your electricity for each type of generation should be shown by the supplier. Not knowing who provides the clubs power I do not know what the answer is for them. The amount from renewable energy these days is quite high for most suppliers though.
You can elect for a green tariff, but that only means the proportion in other peoples tariffs is less as I see it.
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There were some glorious days last year when between wind and sun, (not just sunny days), no CO2 type power stations were needed at all. That's still a long way from where we need to be, but it's progress!
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That’s one of the many myths perpetuated about electric vehicles. If you are genuinely interested I suggest that you read the various studies produced by National Grid which I am sure you can track down with some diligence.
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My nephew is CEO of an electric supplier. He knows far more about this than me and is confident that there is generating power provision for electric cars becoming the norm. Where the problem lies is cost and provision of recharging facilities, particularly in built up areas where there is no off street parking and on motorways and major roads.
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I think that it was in Salisbury P&R car park where I saw maybe 6 (may be more) EV charge points. What a total waste of public funds. As one would expect commuters park here (closest point to bus stop as well), they hook up and go to work presumably and so not available to others for a large part of the day. I also suppose that if others do use it then, having paid to park, they will also be missing using the bus to town as there is nothing to keep them in a boring car park.
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I have been getting information about charging the Outlander PHEV, a practical tow car with hybrid power train and 4x4 drive, on site and after a lot of to and fro-ing thought the official reply from Colt Cars, the manufacturers, might be useful to pass on.
I was asking about 'overnight charging' with 16amp or 10amp (continental) 'current limited by breaker' supply EHU's. I was concerned that the car might trip the breaker, especially a 10 amp one.
"The Charging Circuit Interruption Device (CCID) attached to the charging cable sends a signal to the car once connected. From this the car detects what type of supply is available and limits the current draw to a maximum of 10 amps. It will not demand any higher than this.
If a 16 or 32 amp home charging point is connected the car sees a different signal and it will allow a maximum of 16 amp draw. Our cars will not accept any higher than 16 amps on normal charge.
This cannot be adjusted."
It looks as if it might well be practical to recharge overnight if the van isn't drawing down power. That gives a potential 20+ mile 'gad about' range for the car and just the job for trips to the supermarket etc.
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Roll on free diesel on site, eh? 🤔
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I don’t know what brought that on, Brue. I’m not depressed at all.
I'm definitely of the mind that what a person does with the lekky they’ve paid for is their business, unless it affects others. I was merely focusing the mind on an inequality being allowed, even promoted, by the club.
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All EVs have similar features I believe. Your “home charger” will limit to 10 amps or thereabouts so will give a trickle charge. Anyway, the Outlander is a hybrid (PHEV) so can use fuel and there is absolutely no need to plug in to a caravan unless you just want “free” electricity. It’s a bit like awning heaters methinks. 10 hours of free power at 10 amps saves you around £3 at the expense of the Club.
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Never mind, Brue, you’re getting likes for a post out of context and in the wrong thread. 😂😂😂
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A Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV charging using the supplied 3 pin 13 amp domestic socket initially load 10 amps then settles down to 6 amps. To fully charge the latest 2.4 PHEV model requires 10 kWh @ 0.15p kWh = £1.50, our energy providers supports EV an offer an off peak overnight charge of 0.05p kWh, the CMC being a commercial customer would pay less. To charge a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV would cost 50 pence.
As regards these full EV with 64 -90 kWh batteries I leave that one to the CMC.
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Its not only towing vehicles but I have just noticed a hire company in New Zealand is equipping itself with a "fleet" of electric powered motorhomes. The hire also comes with suggested itineries and charge points within the range of 120Km the vehicles will do on one charge.
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This is the big issue with EVs, the infrastructure just does not exist.
Fag packet calculation, Site with 100 pitches.
Each van requires, 10kwh or 4 amp mean overnight (estimate based on 10 hours overnight for cyclic heating and charging etc).
In 10 years gov wants 50% EVs so using this then the overnight load is now the 10kwh above and additional 50kwh to charge their car.
The site load goes from 1000kwh (400amp mean) to 6000kwh (2400amp mean).
This means that if EVs become the norm then every site needs a new substantial substation, feed, and distribution system.
Lets face it, if more than 5 people put the kettle on at the same time then you will probably lose the phase on with the current site infrastructure.
I am sure the club has an outlying plan to cope with the changes!!!!
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I agree WW, I like the idea of metered EHU, and I think that in years to come that will be the standard. If electricity use is simply absorbed into site fees then site fees will without doubt continue to rise at an even more alarming rate than they are already. Meters encourage frugality, included electricity encourages quite the opposite in my opinion. Meanwhile ever increasing site fees just drives more people away.
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He knows something the Government and the National grid don't then!
Average load is currently about 30GWatt.
If 50% of vehicles are electric this rises to (Conservative Estimates) 60GWatt.
We were supposed to have 20 new nuclear plants, these now wont happen.
Coal plants are being taken off stream.
New Gas plant investment is not even 10% of the need.
We also import 10% from Europe who will need this for their own EVs.
Renewable, yes if we cover the whole of Wales in windmills and solar panels, every square inch ( sorry wales but you are the accepted standard unit of bigish things).
So where is the extra 30GWatt coming from?
Ask the National Grid, ask your MP, they have no idea!
Worried, you should be, keeping the lights on, joke ?????.
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