Opportunity knocks for the right candidates
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I'm sure there used to be a list of all the Club Council Members on the website but I can now only find a list of Executive Committee Members.
Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?
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I expect its to do with Data protection & not allowed now The Executive Committee Members are Directors so their info is in the public view
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Cheers, MSM. I'm sure you're absolutely right.
Goodness, some of those directors make me seem young!
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>>>Goodness, some of those directors make me seem young!<<<
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I know, it’s hard to believe 😃👴🏻
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Hi everyone,
We would love to receive applications from members who love holidays and getting out into the great outdoors in their caravans, campervans and motorhomes. It is all excellent and relevant experience!
We definitely want our Nominated Members to be representative of the whole membership including young people, retirees, families, dog owners etc and offer a variety of perspectives to inform the future direction of the Club. If you feel you could contribute some time and ideas please apply! The Club will reimburse travel expenses for attendance at meeting.
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Hi midsomermikey,
Members with a material interest in the caravan trade are not eligible to be members of the Club Council but a CL Owner could become an Independent Member on one of our Regional Committees and have their say.
In addition, the Club has been actively trying to provide other ways to engage with CL owners on a regular basis and has agreed to the establishment of a CL Owners Advisory Group which will enable regional representatives to get together and discuss common issues and concerns with the Club.
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Rowena
"...the Club has been actively trying to provide other ways to engage with CL owners on a regular basis and has agreed to the establishment of a CL Owners Advisory Group which will enable regional representatives to get together and discuss common issues and concerns with the Club."
This isn't true though is it? Whilst the Club did want to establish an advisory group they've actually now gone very cold on the idea haven't they and do not want, in any way, to practically support CL owners in this venture and thus give us a voice.
You say in a post above that you want the members of the Club Council to be "....representative of the whole membership.... and offer a variety of perspectives to inform the future direction of the Club." but you don't want CL owners involved in any way shape or form. How is that 'representative of the whole membership'?
"Members with a material interest in the caravan trade are not eligible to be members of the Club Council" whilst you could argue CL owners do have a 'material interest' in the caravan trade I believe this was initially aimed at those involved in 'big business' to do with the caravan trade ie manufacturers etc. CL owners hardly make a fortune from their sites and I believe this rule is now being used as an excuse to prevent owners from having a voice. After all Ted Howard-Jones was a member of the Club Council for a number of years before he was 'suddenly no longer eligible' because of this rule. Why all of a sudden is this rule important but wasn't previously?
The club is slowly and steadily losing CLs from the network. Work with us established owners so we can stop this decline and encourage new owners to come on board. Many members are only members because of the CL network. Will they still be members when there is no CL network?7 -
Rowena Many thanks for taking the time to find out what I asked & replying Thankyou
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Reading Skybarns post, above, it looks once again that CL owners and users are the poor relations of the CC's membership.
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I have a suspicion that with the increase in the number of "up-market" CLs, such as Skybarn - and many others, the Club is now seeing them as a threat to their core business when to me, and I suspect many others, CLs are the very essence of what the Club should be about. I would certainly cancel my membership if we ever had a Club without the CL network.
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Thankyou, BS, but I must decline your nomination for personal reasons.
I'm also quite happy with the majority of things the club does.
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Just as I am TW., I love our caravanning and the freedom of it but as always there is no such thing as perfection. I feel that with your input to this forum, (there is not much you do not have an opinion on) and I say that with no dis-respect, that you would not hold back on saying it as it is, and maybe getting the feelings of many members across to the powers to be.
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The Club Council have a variety of functions, including: advisory, to act as a sounding board for the Executive Committee, to bring forward ideas/ suggestions etc., to receive reports and question from employed directors. In essence, the Executive Committee are the main decision making forum, but things seem to work very much hand in hand.
The Club generally tends not to make snap decisions, therefore big propositions from the floor are not usually appropriate - they are often taken back for further discussion and scrutiny by the appropriate department or committee before reporting back.
Of recent years, the Council have spent sometime in smaller 'breakout' groups and have discussed a variety of issues such as: 'To what extent should the Club diversify', 'What more can the Club do to grow membership', 'What can the Club learn from other other leading UK/Overseas sites in terms of, for example, experience, service and facilities?' etc.
As a Club Council Nominated member, in the past I have asked the Club to consider allowing members to be able to book specific pitch types (hardstanding, grass). This helped the Club to decide to trial this on several sites. Unfortunately, there was a amixed response resulting in the trial being dropped. (...but my quest still goes on - I keep plugging away.. ). I also bought up the subject of the difficulty of parking with a caravan at some service stations. This was referred to the appropriate committee who contacted the appropriate body who organised a survey (which many filled in) - we are awaiting feedback from this. Other members have asked a variety of different questions/ suggestions.
This is just to give folk some flavour of what the Club Council is like. It would be good to welcome others...
David
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I'm perfectly happy these days to let others who are more able, willing and interested than I make the decisions, BS, and if I dislike the result, I’ll walk.
I feel no loyalty to this 'club' and pay my membership fee purely because it suits me in order to use the sites. I couldn’t care less about most things the club staff/officials enthuse over and that’s not an ideal attitude for a council member to have and makes for a rubbish CV. 😋
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Yes, I agree with you entirely TW. I am much the same as you, I am a member of the club, to use the sites, which we do virtually every trip. The reason is the quality of the sites, you know what to expect and the booking system which I think is a godsend. In among all this is a certain feeling of 'why don't they do this or that' things that are common sense and why jack the prices up as they do. On this forum these things (and much more) are discussed to the limit and rightly so and it is a pity that the club takes no notice whatsoever of these things. I do think that the club should have ' A member of Forum' on their committees to put the views forward, as a consensus of the forum, after all, there is no other way they are going to know the feeling of the members.
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Let’s face it, BS, this forum counts for next to nothing in the club's eyes. Look at all the staff members we were introduced to - many with moderating powers - and they were never seen again. CL Maddie appears to be the only one who makes an effort where the forum is concerned. Even Rowena has a tendency to kick the ball into the long grass so I suspect forum members' views aren't going to be readily welcomed, sensible as your idea is.
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The staff do get in touch with people on here TW, for instance, I've had contact over EVs and I'm glad to hear DSB is beavering away with his hoped for hardstanding bookings and is able to speak on the council. At least he will have read peoples posts on here and may be able to test the temperature on various views? It was interesting to read David's (DSB) post.
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I know David does his best for us, Brue, and no doubt the other council members do as well but there’s no getting away from the fact that staff input to this forum is at a very low level.
Individual contact is all very well but if it’s something emanating from the forum, perhaps the reply would be of interest to the rest of us.
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Yes, DSB seems to be doing his best to put views forward but it seems to me that this just falls on deaf ears and anything that is put forward is just fobbed off, i.e. breakout groups have 'discussed' diversity, increasing club membership and learning from other overseas organisations. What on earth has that got to do with being able to book pitch types or the problems caravanners have when trying to use motorway services. The club should appreciate that it has a huge number of dedicated users already and should make decisions for the members based on information from them. If I had the chance, I would like to say to the 'grown ups' stop fiddling about, stop fobbing off and look after the members you already have and do this by listening to them and without the corporate speak. I rest my case my Lord. .
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Yes that's true but sometimes there's a confidential issue involved when contact is made so it would be good to think that the club are aware of some issues or thoughts via social media. Even if the wheels appear to grind very very slowly at least they are grinding.
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But they don’t grind in the direction of the forum which was my point. 😟
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If voting changed anything they wouldn't let us do it. A bit like Brexit.
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Thanks for your comments everyone. Hopefully, as Brue says, by reading peoples posts on here and on other social media 'outlets' it is possible to get a sense of people's views. Sometimes one tries to read between the lines - there is sometimes a difference between reading the words and understand the real issues. We all get it wrong - we are just human - but we try our best. One thing I have learnt being on the Club Council (and on other committees and groups) is that there are some really committed and hard working folk around who may not always agree with me, but are equally as passionate about things for the good of the Club.
The Club Council only meet two times a year - in the spring (usually April in London) and in tbe autumn after the Club AGM (usually in October at different locations - this year at York racecourse), so things do move slowly, but there is the option of going to the Regional meetings too - I usually go to the Central region meeting at Kegworth. The regions give you a flavour of what Centres get up to - rallies, how the National is organised, the Meet the Members events which are held on selected CAMC sites, organisation of the regional 'Question Time' events etc. It is really useful to get a complete overview of different aspects of the Club.
My own view is that the Executive Committee is a really time consuming job and I'm not surprised that the majority of them are retired. However they would have time to hold down a full time job, heaven only knows! As Rowena pointed out, no-one gets paid to do these things other than travel expenses. The only folk who are paid are those employed by the Club at East Grinstead and those that run the sites 'on the ground'. The Club Council is only twice a year, so if anyone wishes to consider doing this, please get in touch with the Club.
Hope this has helped.
David
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