Early arrivals - my solution
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So to have an additional couple working on a 100 pitch site would effectively mean a £2 a day increase in site fees once NMW, National Insurance contributions and any pension cost were taken into account?
David
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Thanks for all the info, JK. I think you've confirmed what others have said over the years that running sites in Europe incurs lower overheads than in the UK due, amongst other things, to the financial and taxation structures in those countries which contribute to lower running costs in general.
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We allow arrivals from 10am at Park Coppice due to the size of the site and the fact we usually have a number of spare pitches available during the week, outside of Bank and School holiday times.
We always try to be as flexible as possible with arrival and departure times, our guests are here to enjoy the site and their time away so as long as it does not impact on the running of the site I see no problem.
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thanks to Jk also, and yes and until the UK has the same lower overheads (which is very unlikely) we are stuck with we we have now and there is really no point is discussing implementing what happens over there with over here?
Sadly the overtherepostitis syndrome posters have once again turned this thread into an over there v over here. I suppose they can't resist?
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but does it matter? Currently staff at sites in the UK are paid what they are paid, how do you suggest that their rates of pay and conditions become the same as over there? Is that likely?
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To take the thread just a little way back towards the topic. If "early" arrivals are not possible in the great scheme of things because staff are cleaning toilets - what happens on the Club sites that do not have a facilities block to clean?
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Whilst it may be true that there are other factors than NMW rates in various countries (and by the way, does Austria actually have a NMW?) I do think this has been used as a diversionary tactic. The fact is that, like it or not, virtually all UK sites have set arrival and departure times. This includes "chains" like Haven, Morris, Parkdean and large independent commercial sites which have often been mentioned in previous threads. It is not something unique to (either) club sites no matter how much some try to make it out to be. It's the cross those of us (martyrs) who tour in the UK have to bear, I guess!
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I suppose it all depends on the departures and arrivals. If folk leave at the same rate as arrivals in the morning then all is OK with arrival from anytime. But what would happen if most wait till after 11 and/or nearer 12 (perhaps on Sundays) ? A lot of outfits waiting to get on.
At least with the 12 cut off people can get on site and have choice of all the available pitches?
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Good post +1
But of course any chance to have a go at the club?
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If folk are turning up at 10am when the specified arrival time for that particular site is 10am then these folk are not early. They are adhering to the stipulated time. Thing is this earliest arrival time as specified in that site's published information will have been carefully considered, I am sure, and will be determined by all those constraints previous listed by other posters in this thread. These will, have including factors such as staffing levels, site occupancy patterns and particular locality factors, all of which impact on the possibilities. Like so many aspects in debates like this we don't always see the whole picture and in many cases don't see those site specific factors which can be key to the situation. This thread has lifted some scales from my eyes. As individuals a tendency can develop which only focuses on what generically suits our wishes and disregards those factors which do not fit our argument. Sometimes resultant dogma can suppress the sensible, the reasoned and the rational from being considered in both discussions and decision making processes.
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'Son of Sunday Departures' is alive and well and living on CT.
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The verbose offerings/ramblings add to it🙄🙄
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As I see it there are two types of site, those with an access problem and those without.
If there is no access problem those coming early can be let in but pitches can be restricted at the discretion of the wardens who may want some clear for maintanance or other reasons and the pitch they like best may still be occupied.
On sites where there is good reason to prevent early access like restricted access then the booking should make it very clear they will not get in early. If they try to they will be turned away and made to leave the entry area. They should then be reported to HO and a warning sent to them and there booking of these sites restricted if they do it again.
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or on the contrary....if the access is restricted, why not let early arrivals on site to prevent queuing where access is poor?
the idea is surely (good or bad access) not to decide where (or when) queuing is 'appropriate' (like it or not, it's inevitible with a set arrival time) but to do away with it completely, as its this line forming that compromises others' access requirements...
so, if there's a pitch, why not let someone get on and use it.....
perhaps some think that anyone arriving 'early' is getting the jump on them re the infamous 'best pitch'...but early arrivals get a much smaller choice of pitch....
if I'm using a hotel and have arrived at the destination (by car, foot, train etc) I will check with the hotel if the room is ready....if it is, I'll drop off my stuff in the room even though I'm 'early'....
if not, I'll use the Conscierge and collect my luggage when we come back...
customers don't queue outside the hotel door.....do they?
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