Not very family friendly club

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  • redface
    redface Forum Participant Posts: 1,701
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    edited December 2018 #32

    Whisper it quietly, the Other Club do allow you to request adjacent pitches - but it is subject to no one else requiring either of them specifically.

    On the odd occasion  that we camp together with our D and SIL and G-kids we use that club rather than this one. On a few  times we have been placed two or three pitches apart, but that was the result of others getting there first and the site being pretty full.

     

  • rayjsj
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    edited December 2018 #33

    We are motorhome owners, when we find a pitch we like from the empty ones available, we stop and I put our 'motorhome using this pitch' sign next to pitch marker, wife goes back to reception to tell which pitch we are on, while I drive around to the MHSP to fill up with water. 

    SO, that pitch is now taken,  this has always worked for us,  a Table, a chair or even a power cable doesnt signify a pitch is taken. And Motorhomers shouldnt rely on them to hold a pitch for them, if they havent already paid for it. THATS what the signs are for.

    Its all we have to show others that the pitch is taken....and paid for, while we are offsite enjoying our holiday.

    I Have seen many nasty confrontations on privately run sites over the years, when pitches have been stolen by new arrivals  not respecting an already occupied pitch, while the campervan or motorhome are out for the day.

    Thankfully, never on a CMC site, one of the reasons i am a member.

    As for the original poster, if you want to pitch together, arrive together, early, or book on a private site or a CL.

    As the club has a 'Much Loved'  first come first served allocation system for pitches, and long may it remain so.

  • Oneputt
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    edited December 2018 #34

    Why not family friendly club just cos you don't get your own way?

    Each site has a finite number of pitches and thats it.  If you can't pitch together tell the children to walk around other folks pitches, not through them, to visit each other. Relax and enjoy your holidaycool

  • Cornersteady
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    edited December 2018 #35

    yes, plus one. In package holidays we request rooms close together, sometimes we get them sometimes we don't, still manage to have  a good holiday either way.

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2018 #36

    As far as disabled pitches are concerned I think these are more allocated than reserved. You don't have a choice, you have to take that allocated to you. I think they are allocated by site staff on the morning of arrival and 'coned' as close to the toilets as possible. That seems fair to me.

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2018 #37

    And that is now being "abused " by some who do not want to be far from the facilities yell(as advised in conversation with site staff recently)

  • EasyT
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    edited December 2018 #38

    You do not have to take any pitch reserved for you Micky. You are still free to choose from any available pitch. The same applies to any pitch reserved for a larger outfit if another is suitable. It simply means that there is at least one that is likely to be suitable. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2018 #39

    How can they know that in view of the fact that disabilities are not always visible? yell

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2018 #40

    Because some of the "members" are quite open about itsurprised 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2018 #41

    So your mates have informed head office of this so the fact can be recorded against the relevant membership numbers, have they?

    There again, perhaps the members are joking of maybe someone's just winding you up, JV.

    The club could always enforce a rule concerning the showing of a blue badge, or other documentation, if there is a serious abuse of the system.

     

     

  • EasyT
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    edited December 2018 #42

    You do not have to be registered disabled in order to request a pitch close to facilities. I have never requested on a club site but I have a couple of times on an independent site. My request has been to be within 100 yds of a shower block as that is a distance that I can walk without a stick. 

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2018 #43

    The "members"in question do not have any mobility problems but just put on their booking forms that a pitch near the facilities is required,it is evidently doing the "rounds" as some "members" realise that no one will question the request, and also as radar keys are easy to obtain   now they  also have a full facility bathroom close at handfrown

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2018 #44

    Yes, they don't have to take that allocated pitch, they can go elsewhere but if they choose elsewhere, ifanything else is available, I guess that out of courtesy the wardens should be informed asap to make it available to all once more. My point really was as the club really doesn't have disabled pitches and are not obliged to provide them on very busy sites where little if any choice would be available to meet the specific needs of the individual the allocated pitch system helps as best possible. Don't think this is quite the same as reserving pitches at all as its not a given and the member does not choose a pitch, that is done for them from what is available on morning of arrival. As for those who abuse the system well why let them dictate? To be fair that allocated pitch may be close to the toilets but in my opinion it may also be amongst some of the least desirable pitches on most sites for that and several other reasons. Afterall, we are not talking about reserving the best pitches just allocating those that meet the criteria be it long vehicle or close to toilets. Afterall, If they are amongst the last in on that busy site they may well have to take that allocated pitch.

  • CJDM
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    edited December 2018 #45

    Overall this is a reflection of how people are and always have been.  Some people are rude, behave badly and don't care what others think whilst others are the opposite.  Some people moan, some don't.  Some are always positive and some are just downright miserable. This happens at work, in the shops - everywhere in fact, so holidays are not an exception (unfortunately).

    This applies to adults and children.  It's a reflection of what we, as a species are like.

    If you are the negative side of the above then please just find a field to stay in on your open and don't go anywhere. 

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2018 #46

    Very true and we should not let 'them' change the way we wish to be open, inclusive, fair and remain positive. smile

  • rayjsj
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    edited December 2018 #47

    Simple, show Blue Badge to qualify for a pitch guranteed to be near the facilities.....I always thought that was the rules anyway ?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2018 #48

    As I suggested earlier, it could be a way of countering abuse if it should become a problem. 

    Currently, I believe the wardens are instructed not to enquire into someone's need for an accessible pitch or use of disabled facilities. That’s a stance I agree with as it really is no one else’s business but if a few people sadly ruin things for others, I can see that proof of eligibility might be a way forward.

    Having said that, we should remember that, not only are some disabilities invisible, but some issues necessitating close proximity to facilities will not entitle the sufferer to hold a blue badge so I really hope the club does not find it necessary to take that route.

  • KjellNN
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    edited December 2018 #49

    Well said TW.

    My OH is not registered as disabled, even though she has several problems which most of us would not wish to have to live with.

    We do request a pitch close to the facilities as she needs me to help her  shower and we need to take extra stuff with us and a folding table to use in the disabled room.

    But to look at her, on a good day, you would never know she had any problems.

    Disability is not just related to mobility problems.

  • EasyT
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    edited December 2018 #50

    Thankfully not the rules Ray. I need not say more

  • EasyT
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    edited December 2018 #51

    In my experience the wardens generally earmark a pitch for a less able person a dew days before their arrival, I have certainly been asked a couple of times a few days before departure if I will be moving on or extending a stay and the warden has placed a suitable marker behind my pitch ahead of my departure.

     

  • KjellNN
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    edited December 2018 #52

    As the Club removed the facility to request a "disabled" pitch from on line booking many years back (a bad move IMHO) , we now have to ring each site a few days ahead of arrival to make the request, and each time we are told that they will do their best to set aside a pitch, but that they only do it on the day of arrival. However, like ET, we have seen that the wardens sometimes come and put a marker on our pitch well before we leave.

    We only make the request if the site is such that there are pitches which are a long way from the facilities and it is a busy time of year.  There are also a few sites where, having used them several times, we know we would not like to be close to the facilities, then we use our own shower, as we do "over there" where dedicated unisex disabled rooms are not always available.

    There is no requirement to take the reserved pitch, though usually it will be an OK pitch.  We have only not taken it on one occasion, at Cirencester, it was actually too small and too sloping, we took one opposite and just as close to the facilities. You just need to let the warden know in a timely manner, and get the correct barrier dongle if appropriate.

     

  • mickysf
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    edited December 2018 #53

    That sounds like good forward thinking, this ensures that pitches are in effect ready for the future arrival of a disabled person who has requested to be close to the facilities. Again you would not see empty pitches 'coned' off for days prior, this is the warden allocating for that morning of arrival and deciding which to use, not the member and for me this is acceptable. 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited December 2018 #54

    Exeter Racecourse Site has a couple of designated disabled pitches, complete with the wheelchair sign. Noticed them in September because we were on a pitch next to one. Closest pitches to facility block. Can be a long walk to facilities there from some pitches. We were only up there as our preferred grass pitches were out of use, it was last week of season.

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2018 #55

    +1

  • TonyBurton
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    edited December 2018 #56

    Well Ludensian, I’m afraid all the comments about your post prove that it is indeed a club that is unfriendly towards young families with children. Comments like “use a CL” or go to a commercial site prove the club sites don’t want you. As a grandparent I think you’ve made a good point where it would not be difficult to be flexible about the rules. If your family is going to arrive in the next couple of hours, just stick a car on the next pitch and politely move it if someone is so desperate to split your family up. But let’s all be a bit more understanding of each others needs.

  • EasyT
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    edited December 2018 #57

    As a grandparent myself I think that my offspring and grandkids are well able to walk thankfully. If there is an issue with a member needing support with children or others with a medical need then I am sure that arrangements can be made.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2018 #58

    You forget, TB, that to give a concession to one person usually disadvantages many others.

    Stick a car on the pitch?  surprised

  • Elima
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    edited December 2018 #59

    I agree with Tony that the club appears to be unfriendly and feel for Ludensian.  They obviously live a distance away from each other and want to be next to each other when they meet on site.  Surely one pitch less to choose from doesn't hurt or is it like most things in this day and age, 'me, me, me, I wanted that!!'  For goodness sake does it matter if there is one less pitch to choose from. 

    I think too that it depends which warden is on duty at the time and this could be at their discretion.

  • EasyT
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    edited December 2018 #60

    Surely one pitch less to choose from doesn't hurt or is it like most things in this day and age, 'me, me, me, I wanted that!!' 

    It does seem to be Me. Me, Me when somebody is asking for special treatment when there is not a medical reason.

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2018 #61

    It would seem to make sense. Arrange the vans so the doors face each other and then the family can occupy the area in between,  rather than spilling into others space, as sometimes happens. 

    I would have no problem with it being provided as a premium service, for a suppliment, adjacent pitches to be selected and marked by the warden. No need for, tables / chairs or parked cars.

    After all it's not so different than myself paying for a service pitch, they are in effect reserved for those who have paid for them.