What next for the hobby?

OldDave
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edited September 2018 in Caravan & Motorhome Chat #1

Having been a caravanner and motorhomer for nearly the last 50 years I can certainly claim to have seen many changes. The ‘good old days’ where a Club site, usually a field, had if you were lucky a water tap and a drain for disposal, and nowt else has morphed in to what some may feel are sorts of car parks where pitches are in lines with sometimes what seems to be not a lot of room between. But then there is  the good side of heated washrooms and hot showers etc, not an Elsan, and if you need to ask what an Elsan is, you are too young. Of course the costs have also changed drastically and a night’s fees can be in the order of £30 these days. Some will argue that that is still a cheap holiday but others will point out that organisations such as ACSI offering rates of 17 – 22 euros per night in Europe and often including facilities such as swimming pools, restaurants etc may make the UK Club sites a tad expensive. It is your choice of course.

 

However, the main point I am trying to put across is that over the years there has been a drastic increase in caravanners and motorhomers and I do wonder if we are getting to a saturation level. I read that sales of motorhomes are rising rapidly each year and I see adverts from dealers offering stocks of 100 vehicles at a time and i do wonder where they are all going to go, certainly within the UK. Yes, more sites are opening up but are they keeping up with demand. We see with the Club how some sites are booked solid for weekends a year ahead which makes the old mantra of ‘going where you want, when you wish’ a bit cliche’d. Yes, there is the alternative of the CL/CS sites system but even there booking ahead is often the norm. France has provided a system of aires which allow motorhomes a cheaper alternative to a regular site, which allows in turn caravanners more options, unless the transfer of customers leads to the closure of the original site, which has happened on occasions. In addition many sites now install ‘bungalows’ which reduces the number of touring pitches available. It seems a bit like a snakes and ladders scenario. Many people buy motorhomes with the so called attraction of ‘wild camping’ but I regret that even that is a diminishing option due to over camping and often inconsiderate behaviour. The Scottish islands are swamped these days and locals are demanding that restrictions be put in place so that they can just go about their normal day to day business. Off season used to be a good way to go where you wanted at almost any time but here again the popular places are often fully booked. We regularly go to Spain but the site we frequently use is an all year site for almost 400 outfits. But trying to get a pitch between October and March can be very difficult indeed as it is so popular with the ‘snowbird’ generation. There has been standing joke on the site that to get a pitch you needed to wait until someone passed away and jump in quick for their pitch. Booking a year ahead is the norm these days. That suggests to me that camping per se is morphing into a package holiday system where you book well in advance a certain place to get what you want. That is a long way away from where it all started. Even this week I looked at options for ferries to Spain to see that certain cabins are already fully booked for next June etc. A hammock on deck methinks.

 

I am not trying to be morbid about it as I enjoy camping but wonder what is next. I could offer some ‘black humour’ by stating that once the baby boomer generation have passed on, there should be plenty of places available as evidently we are cluttering up everything. But then again the Millenials complain they cannot buy homes or anything else so I suspect motorhomes may be well down the list. Never mind, sit back with a G&T or whatever, enjoy the area where you are staying and just hope it doesn't rain, and by the way, let me know when you plan on moving so I can get your pitch!!!!!!

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  • Wherenext
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    edited September 2018 #2

    Sometimes this pastime of ours can still surprise you.

    We couldn't make any arrangements for an autumn holiday as we were waiting on a date for a funeral that we'll be attending. We thought we might squeeze a week at the beginning of September in so we rang Buxton site by chance the day before we wanted to go and lo and behold there was a pitch available. So whilst away we found the funeral date was at the end of September. Warden at Buxton rang Cheddar and lo and behold we were able to get a pitch. We rang a CL and lo and behold they had 1 pitch left for when we left Cheddar. 

    So we were able to have an autumn break just like the "good old days".

  • Wildwood
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    edited September 2018 #3

    The biggest problems for me are the ever lower weights of tow cars and the attack on dies0el engines.

    The lower weight of tow cars must be hitting caravan sales and with diesel under fire the most popular tow cars are less attractive. This may account to some extent for the slowing of caravan sales and the increase in motorhome sales.

    Having said that almost all motorhomes are diesels so things may catch up with them but it is noticeable that only Coachman do not build them now so the manufacturers must see them as a good bet for the future.

    Electric power also may be a threat. Current cars do not have the range if they can tow to be of any use nor are they available as motorhomes. Both may be problems that will be solved but even then electric cars look as though they will take far longer to charge than it takes to pump a few gallons of petrol which may make longer trips even longer.

    I have also been unable to find any charging point that will accommodate more than a single car which would be a problem for those towing and all but the smallest motorhomes.

    I have seen nothing relevant from either club or anyone else on what they see as the future and so far all we can do is guess where we are going.

     

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited September 2018 #4

    If we, as members of the older generation, do we  need to worry too much about what might happen in ten to twenty years time? Personally I am more concerned about our own health and how long we can continue to enjoy our hobby. Should be buy a new motorhome or keep the current one until we both fall to bits? The future of camping will change of course it will but I can't predict how that change will happen. I am not sure either of my sons will follow their dad in camping as we know it. They either prefer holidays abroad or hire a  static or stay in a hotel, neither of them are time rich. 

    David

  • Hedgehurst
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    edited September 2018 #5

    I agree, David, there's not a lot we can do about what others decide to do with vans, anyway, in reality. I hope that at 65 I've still got another 20 years or so caravanning in me :-)


    But while worrying about what will happen in vanning isn't going to get us anywhere, learning to encourage and make use of cleaner technologies when they become appropriate, does seem important to me, so we leave a slightly less smashed world for those generations following, however they take their holidays. That's something we can affect, even if only in individually small ways.

  • eurortraveller
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    edited September 2018 #6

    Of course this hobby wil die.

    Already the 40 year olds in my family regard Grandpa's  hobby as quaint as train spotting and stamp collecting.  They have far more money to spend than I ever had,  far more interesting things to do, and far more exciting things to do than trundle around caravan sites.

     

     

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited September 2018 #7

    trundle around caravan sites.

    If that's all that you do, as you infer, while away in your unit I wonder why you bother having one at all!!wink

  • brue
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    edited September 2018 #8

    Interesting post OldDave, I remember hearing about family friends going off with their very heavy hand built van and finding a farmer who'd let them camp on a field. Certain farmers would provide stop offs for longer journeys. To me it's a part of history, they did things differently then and so will the next generation. Best to enjoy what you've got while you can!? smile

  • redface
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    edited September 2018 #9

    Enjoy what you have got and to hell with everyone else who will have a different set of personal values.

    Sure, changes will occur, year on year, go with the flow - relax.

  • Oneputt
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    edited September 2018 #10

    At my age the 2040 date isn’t an issue, if needed I will buy another diesel 4x4 after all there are plenty of large second hand suv’s on the market.

    Never had problem with overbooking, just look for somewhere else in the locality.

    You mention the Acsi price but remember for working families they are paying anywhere from €30 to €50+/night, plus ferry costs, fuel, red pennant etc., so when you add that up it’s probably more/in line with club site costs.  

    Luckily I’m retire so when I go over there this weekend my costs are much reduced.  I will be paying €15/night incl and elec allowance but will have to pay for WiFi which will be more than the clubs annual £25/year cost. I could if I so wished stay in the UK at a far cheaper rate and wouldn’t run up the mileage I will over there.

    You pays your money etc., etc..

     

  • mickysf
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    edited September 2018 #11

    Just out of interest, to whom I'm not sure mind! I've always referred to those CWPs as Elsan points. Dad did, so did I. Never knew why until a few years ago, it is a company brand name! Bit like hoovers being a generic term for vacuum cleaners. 

    http://www.elsan.co.uk

    I wonder if this company can move with the times?wink

  • dmiller555
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    edited September 2018 #12

    Hobby, pastime! I think of it as a religion. embarassed

  • cyberyacht
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    edited September 2018 #13

    I call them Elsan points, too. Showing my age.

  • mickysf
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    edited September 2018 #14

    To some it seems more of an affliction! Though maybe they are happiest when they are moaning and busybodying!wink

  • Phishing
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    edited September 2018 #15

    Its popular, and growing. 

    The variety of offer of type of sites reflects the diversity in the hobby. Some are happy in a field with limited services, some need a clubhouse, chippy, bingo and a pool. Each to their own. 

    Major trends I can see:

    Seasonal pitches becoming more popular.

    Storage and pitch on demand, growing in availability.

    Fully serviced pitches, a must for me.

    Private on pitch bathroom, regularly sold out everywhere.

    Changes:

    Sites not as sociable as they were.

    Van and Motorhomes growth in the Luxury sector.

    Site quality improving.

    Costs increasing.

     

     

  • jennyc
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    edited September 2018 #16

    Add to the above;

    Working WiFi for all pitches.

    I have to disagree with the optimism that pitches will be available on deman in the future - the reverse has been growing for a lot of years now. Sadly.

  • Dave L S
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    edited September 2018 #17

    In the almost 20 years that we caravanned (1991 - 2010), I can't say that I ever considered it a hobby, I have had quite a few.

    For us it was a means of travelling to different places, including most all of Europe, with your own accommodation, and the freedom to move around.

    We have just (August) returned to caravanning, this time with a motorhome, not as a hobby, but to enable us to get out and about on short breaks, and days out.

    No plans for using it for holidays, as we have two or three holidays away each year, usually a cruise or two, or fly off somewhere.

    We are not dog owners, as has as always been the case with the majority of  caravanners, so are not restricted when it comes to holiday accommodation. Just spent a couple of days at Incleborough Fields, the site was pretty much full, and there seemed to be more dogs than people, one couple had six.

    We have joined the National Trust, and are enjoying visiting their properties with the mho. Having the comfort of our own facilities with us.

    So, a hobby?, no not for us, more a convenient "means to an end"

     

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2018 #18

    Depends how you consider touring, in all its shapes and forms. For us it is and always has been a means to a cheap holiday, taking a comfy bed and cooking arrangements round with us. The locations, places to stay, sights to see, activities to undertake are our lynch pin. There's still thousands of nice places and cheap little sites for us to explore. Will certainly see out our touring days, and I suspect we are a bit younger than many who post on here! 

    We run an old classic car, keeping things like this on the road is an art in itself, you soon learn there are ways and means to enjoy something that others want to spoil, will be same with touring. Something always comes along, and we like trying new things as well, so that's a bonus.smile

  • jennyc
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    edited September 2018 #19

    Cheap! We’ve never thought of caravanning as cheap - better, providing access to otherwise inaccessible places, available at short notice, all “yes” but cheap when you compare insurance, storage, maintainance, site fees, fuel costs, depreciation and a suitable to car into account, it seems like a luxury to me when compared with foreign package deals - unltill you have the time and opportunity to use your van a lot. But, for home from home comforts, al fresco eating, views into the sunset and lazy rising with a birdsong, now we’re on the winning side. Cheap, no, but worth the effort, absolutely.

  • redface
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    edited September 2018 #20

    Can someone please invent the water roller on a motor mover.

    It always seems that the tap is 400 yds. away and uphill to the caravan!

    No -  I cannot lift a full water roll into my car and deal with it that way.

  • DSB
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    edited September 2018 #21

    With the trend for smaller and 'greener' car, then perhaps we may me looking at a future of trailer tents or something very similar, or an expansion of different types of static accommodation e.g. pods, glamping tents, static caravans etc which we can book for a short period and then move on to another site.  I'm guessing that the touring caravan as we know it will be around for a while yet - certainly within our lifetime?  Just blind guessing.

    David

  • mickysf
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    edited September 2018 #22

    May be the future is 'The Grand Tour' where folk will plan their 'bucket list' tours around the country or countries. Campervans, micro carapods or smaller motorhomes may just be the ticket for this type of vacation. 

  • Kennine
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    edited September 2018 #23

    Campervans, micro carapods or smaller motorhomes may just be the ticket for this type of vacation.

    I agree Micky, those will be the future choices for those who wish to enjoy touring with their own accommodation.   ---- Towed Caravans will be a thing of the past,---- It won't all happen this decade, so all the oldies who make up much of the customer base of the CMC need not worry... but it will happen. 

    cool

  • jennyc
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    edited September 2018 #24

    We have a long enough hose in our ‘kit’ to fill a barrel which is sitting in the back of our 4WD, swinging it down is achievable, where lifting it in may not have been. It’s a useful technique at festivals where facilities can be rather inconveniently sited.

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  • cyberyacht
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    edited September 2018 #26

    I toured for three weeks around Normandy & Brittany in June without booking. No problems at all.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2018 #27

    We toured Northumberland and Scotland in August this year, nothing pre booked. It's alive and kicking over here as well!laughing