Grill won't stay lit
We have a Bailey Unicorn Cadiz with a Thetford Caprice Mk3 oven. The oven and all of the gas burners work perfectly and the grill will light but on releasing the control (even after pushing it in for several seconds) the grill goes out? I am therefore confident that it isn't not a gas supply problem and may therefore be a problem with the thermocouple. Does anyone know if this is something that can be fixed easily or if it could be some other problem that I haven't thought of?
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I have the same model and have the same problem, sometimes it is ok and others it goes out. I also suspect the thermocouple, possibly it is not being heated enough for whatever reason. It seems worse after grilling anything which splashes fat about like sausages. I would be interested in further comments.
peedee
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probably need the oven removing to get to thermocouple.
is the thermocouple In the flame, if not would stop it working. light as normal and hold in knob and look at flame and see if it is. you could always bend bracket a little to get the full effect of the flame. when cooled.
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My views mirror LL's but I wouldn't try bending the thermocouple. I think it is quite likely to break. My gas is off at the moment and motorhome laid up. Next time I use it I'll do as LL suggest before doing anything further.
Don't think there is a safety interlock on the hob lid but will check that just in case.
peedee
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The thermocouple protrudes from the grill back plate into the rear gas jet. There is no bracket to bend. I suspect if this last jet is not performing as it should this is the cause of the problems being experienced. Alternatively, is the probe of the thermocouple being splashed with fat/burnt residue and effecting it's performance. Perhaps a clean up with an old tooth brush is worth a try.
peedee
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Thermocouples tend to become fragile over time. Bending then will very likely end in tears.
Here’s a cure which has never failed me over the years. Mix detergent and water on your washing up brush and give the burner including the thermocouple, a firm but not brutal scrub. Rinse the brush and repeat with clean water. It may be a little slower to light while still wet, but once going it’ll probably stay on when you release the knob and work normally after that.
The method will work on any burner, so long as the thermocouple hasn’t really failed. The only time we’ve ever had a thermocouple fail was decades ago, on a central heating boiler which had been serviced recently - quite likely weakening the thermocouple while doing so.
Forget all lid advice, if the interlock is stopping gas then it won’t light in the first place.
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We recently had a problem with the grill in our Thetford Aspire 2 cooker (fitted in our 2015 Swift Challenger). It’s always been difficult to light but, once lit, has stayed alight. Maybe there’s a general problem with Thetford grills? Anyway, we went away in June and somehow the grill burner had dropped down from the fixing at the front. I discovered it when I was using it, and the burner caught on the food as I put the pan back under. I spoke to our dealer and they preferred to have the caravan in the workshop to check it out, for safety’s sake, and were willing to replace the whole cooker under warranty if it were necessary. It turned out to be a simple replacement of the fixing, with no other damage to the burner.
A long reply, apparently irrelevant, but I just wonder if the OP’s oven is still under warranty, and whether it’s safe to attempt to repair gas appliances oneself?
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Mine does the same. Has done since new. Reported at both services and always performs flawlessly in the dealership.
Cleaning a thermocouple has no effect, it can be covered in stuff and still work. Cleaning the burner is a good idea if the flame cone does not reach the thermocouple.
I have noticed that a slight draught causes it to go out, even just walking past when it is on, but it does just go out on its own occasionally.
My thermocouple is right in the tip of the blue cone, glows red hot so position is not the issue.
Probably just poor design but Thetford are not going to own up. Some have had the controller changed and report improvement.
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I had this issue years back with another brand. What transpired there was the "push in" travel had over time become restricted, so the fail safe feature in the gas valve was not fully setting.
I discovered this by pulling off the knob where then it worked properly. I cured it by pulling just a little spacer into the knob's stem hole [very small bit of crumpled aluminium foil]. This spaced the knob just further enough out from the fascia enabling the stem to be fully pushed in and set the fail safe feature.
If the pushed in knob is clear of the fascia then clearly it would not be this problem. But if it seems to be restricting things a one minute test by pulling off the knob would determine if a similar issue is happening in your case.
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The problem with my Thetford Aspire 2 grill is that it will show a slight gas flame when the knob is pressed in, but as soon as you release the knob it goes out. It seems to act very similar to the gas running out but I know it hasn't as the hob and oven work OK. Strangely it worked in the morning perfectly but didn't work at all in the evening. Is this likely to be a quick easy fix or a dealer fix. Hopefully not the latter as I am in the Netherlands for the next 5 weeks.
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I've got exactly the same issue with the same oven,have had since new, 2015. You can replace the thermocouple without removing the oven as I have done this. It worked for a while then eventually stops working again. It seems to gradually get worse and worse until you have to hold the button in and burn your fingers. Nice 'safety' feature!
The thermocouple does sit on a moveable bracket of sorts so you can gently bend the tip into the tip of the flame, but each time I do, it works for a bit then after a few days I think the heat anneals it back out of whack. Use a hollow tube to hold the thermocouple body, not the top.
I've tried all the cleaning in the world and none of it helps.
I think it's a design fault and we should all get together and demand Thetford fix it.!!
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Update having just tried to fix it. Again.
Once I'd bent the thermocouple into the flame again it says on. So in response to a couple of other reports, I tried blowing on the flame to see how sensitive it actually is. The answer is not very at all!! I blew and blew and it stayed on. Eventually I managed to blow it right out and guess what? The gas kept flowing. I could relight it straight away just on the ignition.
If I left it for about four seconds, I got the characteristic 'clunk' as it cuts off at which point gas stopped flowing. So the gas was flowing with NO flame at all so it surely can't be temperature related. I'm therefore suspecting a poor earth return and perhaps moving the thermocouple fixes it temporarily.
Having replaced it myself (and being an electronic engineer) I was shocked how awful the engineering of it is so I'm not surprised. Will report back on how it goes, but this seems to prove its not about the flame position.
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There was a well known problem with the Thetdord grill a while back where it was recognised that the control knob shafts were too short. I recall finding reports online, printing them out and getting the dealer to change them under warranty.
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I replaced thermistor ok for a while then replaced the control brilliant for a while only needed seconds to stay on this trip very iffy .I am wondering if it is a bad earth connection on the body to bracket ? Will investigate when we are home
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Not in a caravan, but our living flame gas fire in house..... thermocouple and gas jets occasionally get clogged etc..... two perfect tools, an interdental flossing stick (look like miniature bottle brushes) to gently insert into gas jet to clear any debris, and a small fine grade emery board, to gently rasp around thermocouple to clean it. Works a treat for us, but the emphasis is on “gentle”. Worth a try..... but only if easily accessible.
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CRACKED IT it is poor electric connection on the body of the thermocouple fitted independant earth lead to rear works brilliantly .
This is after replacing thermo and tap (not easy )
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Thanks mine seems to have got worse over time. I'll have a look at what you suggest. Only thing that concerns me was if it was the earth surely that would effect the other ignition devices on the hob and oven, they work perfectly?
peedee
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Our grill played up whilst on a rally.
Fortunately there was a very good mobile caravan mechanic on site who quickly found that the gas supply pipe was partially blocked by oily deposits from the gas.
Took him about 30 minutes to strip it out and clean it through.
No problems since.
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I have bought a new motorhome in 2018 and had several problems with grill and hobs not stay on. Under warranty I had the whole cooker replaced. The grill has just gone again. I heard someone say if you remove the knob from the grill at the front. Put a screw driver on the nut by the shaft and give it a tap with a hammer. Not too hard this will fix the valve not staying open. Did this now my grill is staying on. Chance who knows ?.
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