Alde HE3020

Scottie2
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edited April 2018 in Caravans #1

On reading  through the Alde HE3020 boiler booklet, it states that every 10 days you should renew the air cushion in the water heater so as to create a new air cushion . The air cushion is apparently to allow expansion to take place and to protect the boiler against pressure impacts from the freshwater pump...Does anyone do this task and do you do it every 10 days.

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  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #2

    No idea where the air cushion is or how to renew it. 

    Oops - you said that it was in the hot water tank I think. I knew nothing about this but probably does not affect me as I move every 5 days other than a 14 night stop at Christmas

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  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #4

    the best and quickest way is to switch off the water pump and heater then open the heater drain valve for about five seconds;

    Did you mean the hot water tank rather than the 'heater drain valve' ? 

     

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2018 #5

    Our manual says to renew it once a month. However, as so far we have only ever spent 2 weeks at a time in one place it has never been an issue. When we have our seasonal later in the year I will have to remember to do it. Although as part of that  will be in possible frosty weather, I will be draining it down then in any event.

  • Scottie2
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    edited April 2018 #6

    In the Alde booklet containing nothing else but all items to do with the HE3020 boiler, it states that this air cushion renewal must be done every 10 days...This booklet came in the folder when I collected my 2018 480Alde

  • SteveL
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    There was no separate Alde booklet with our van. Just several pages in the hand book. As you can see it specifies approx a month. However, I think ours is the earlier 3010, so that may explain the difference. Seems strange they have designed something that needs draining more frequently though.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited April 2018 #8

    What a load of faff. Better off with blown air.

  • Scottie2
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    edited April 2018 #9

    Quite possibly the 3010 has different maintenance to the 3020...Swift don’t give handbooks with 2018 vans. In the pack of other literature that came with my 480Alde there is an Alde book. On page 32 under the heading “IMPORTANT INFORMATION” is their reference to this opening, for a few seconds only, of the safety/drain valve on the boiler and this to be done every 10 days..They say as follows “ the air cushion allows expansion to take place and protects the boiler against pressure impacts from the fresh water pump”...Alde may be what most owners are now  specifying as a “must have” item in their new van, but the do’s and don’ts of having this boys toys, make you wonder if blown air was not preferred as it’s so nice and simple.!.

  • Boff
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    edited April 2018 #10

    All the Alde manuals are available online.  Probably saves Swift 10p per van not having the manuals

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  • Scottie2
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    edited April 2018 #12

    Is the safety/drain valve on the boiler that Alde refer to, the yellow coloured lever in the pipeline near the boiler, or is it another valve on the actual boiler . Can anyone confirm.

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #13

    The 3o20 manual states:When the hot water cylinder is in
    continuous use, it should be drained and
    refilled once a month. 

    So simply a question of using the yellow valve lever to empty hot water tank and them it needs to be refilled. 

     

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2018 #14

    ...Alan, that would be my approach, too....

    although we have Combi, once we get beyond possible deep frost weather, fairly rare here anyway, we tour regularly and would not be draining hot water system as a matter of course....

    so, there would be water in the boiler (albeit different waterwink) in the boiler almost continually.....not difficult to drain though, as you say.

  • dmiller555
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    edited April 2018 #15

    I believe the instructions also recommend that the heater/tank is drained prior to towing to lighten the load, something I always do. 

  • lornalou1
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    edited April 2018 #16

     I cannot have blown air as irritates my Asthma.

  • Scottie2
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    edited April 2018 #17

    Hi Dorset Driver, is the safety/drain down valve you mention the yellow handled lever in the water pipe close to the boiler in the bed locker box.

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2018 #18

    As posted before Scottie

  • ocsid
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    edited April 2018 #19

    The issue is with the hot water, not space heating or the inhibited water used in the wet systems. Even with blown air you have to have some hot water boiler, integrated or standalone.

    I am sure the "pressure impact" protection issue afforded by the "air cushion" relates much more to systems fitted with diaphragm positive displacement pumps rather than rotor-dynamic pumps that don't inherently pulse. It will also help the function of pressure switched water systems by giving a bit of compliance, as accumulators do in these types of systems. Then the system will not auto switch on and off so frequently or be so sensitive to minor internal or tap dripping leaks cutting the pump in and out.

    Actually the air cushion will be largely self generating as cold fresh water holding dissolved air is warmed in the boiler it will leach out some of that air to replenish the cushion.

    I have submersible pumps so rotor-dynamic and thus not pulsing, plus I have a micro-switch based water system, therefore I don't feel a need to routinely replenish the cushion. I frequently drain the water system down before travelling if say I know we are not going out again for several weeks. 

  • indoors
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    edited April 2018 #20

     and square wooden wheels on all motorhomes. LoL.

  • indoors
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    edited April 2018 #21

    Following on from my last post, I remember the then Chairman of the Volvo Owners Club coming to see our brand new T.E.C. caravan on a rally one weekend. ( 2001 ) " What no carpets,?" no and since then I don't know of a UK 'van that has fitted carpets, but it did have a fixed bed, separate fridge freezer, 50 ltr inboard water tank, inboard plumbing, 14" alu wheels, shock absorbers, Alko Euro axle, insulation so good we hardly ever used our blown air heating, but this Alde wet heating system in our new Hymer really is a step in the right direction regards habitation and water heating.

    Happy caravanning.