Motorhome size

RodW
RodW Forum Participant Posts: 5
edited March 2018 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

I have been caravaning for years and have a really comfortable big Bailey , but find that if we want a quick away couple of days it seems a lot of hassle to get organised  and camped , so are thinking about a motorhome where we can drive to an area of interest, park up  , go to a site and overnight , move on to another event / area etc . 

So were thinking about a smaller motorhome , say 6m, but when we look around like the facilities of larger rigs but is a 7.5m going to be too large to easily park up in a city ?.  I have found park and rides where Its been tight to get a Land Rover in ... 

There is no point in having to leave the MH at the site using alternative transport as may as well use the caravan .

What experience do members have ? 

 

 

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  • Tinwheeler
    Tinwheeler Forum Participant Posts: 23,150 ✭✭✭
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    edited March 2018 #2

    We had a 6.4m coachbuilt MH and it was just about manageable in towns lengthways but its width could be a problem.

    We now have a 6m panel van conversion which is much easier. It only needs one bay widthways in a supermarket car park and overhangs by about 0.5m.

    7.5m is massive in terms of parking and I'm sure you will come to curse it as you will most surely need alternative transport.

    There's a similar thread in the MH section about Autotrail v Autosleeper PVCs.

    See, it fits nicely.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited March 2018 #3

    Rod

    We have a 7.5 mts motorhome and we always leave it on site and use alternative transport. Mind you we tended to do that when we had a caravan as well. There are lots of campsites in the UK that are near to towns or to public transport. I do accept that a smaller motorhome, like a PVC, would be easier to find somewhere to park but sometimes with height barriers even that is not so easy.

    David

  • old ludlovian
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    We moved to  a swift escape 664 with fixed bed 6.5 m wife loves its to bits I like it because inside just like our last van and so much  easer to set up on  site . I know p/van was just to  small for me  after nearly two years of looking  . We decide on this van not perfect but 85 pc right for us and really loving the move over .when she indoors is happy bliss what more can I say where both happy good luck in your search  for right van for you

     

  • cyberyacht
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    edited March 2018 #5

    You can have space or you can have "relatively" easy parking. You can't have both. Slimline MH or PVCs at 6m or under are comparable with any other "white van man" for parking although you are still going to struggle parallel parking in a narrow street.

  • young thomas
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    edited March 2018 #6

    assuming we are talking UK.....parking isn't such an issue 'over there'........So....IMHO....

    Ease of driving....width is the main constraint...wide vans in towns, hard work to squeeze through gaps...

    ease of parking in town...length will be the killer....6m-6.36m panel vans are about the max, unless the town is very quiet or you are well away from the centre, where on road parking will be ok but you'll have to walk a bit...

    'facilities of larger rigs....' most modern vans (even small ones) will have ovens, hobs, TV, fridge freezer, whatever you want....the big decider is the type of bed you want or need...

    they mainly come in three designs....

    fixed (singles, transverse, island).....which provide storage under and a 'day bed' for relaxing, but will add length.

    make up beds....a conversion of the lounge (front or rear) and may give twin singles, a transverse double or a choice of either...saves space, some storage but not as much as the fixed beds, requires storage for bedding, won't be as comfortable as a proper bed...

    drop down beds....which come out of the ceiling giving a fixed bed comfort without occupying the floor space.....nor requiring the making up of the bed nor the storage of bedding as it can stay on the bed....

    id say the main choices of a small van that's relatively easy to park but is also not too cramped will be a panel van (6-6.36m) or a 'slim' coachbuilt from 6m upwards....as mentioned earlier

    both the above shed width to make manoevrability and parking easier.....

    against a normal width MH of 2.35m, PVCs are only 2.06m wide and slim coachbuilts are almost as slim, my own being just 2.12...

    as it happens, it also has a fixed double bed in the rear (1.5m wide) AND a drop down double bed in the cab that's even larger...

    theres a domestic sized fridge/freezer, oven, hob, lounge for five, full sized shower, enormous garage for bikes, scooters and 'stuff' and it's only 6.4m long and has a great payload at the 3.5t break point....we tour the UK and Europe extensively (about half our lives is spent 'away' in the van) 

    so, small(er) vans can be easy to drive, relatively easy to park, comfortable with every conceivable gadget you require, but picking the right one which meets your sleeping and storage requirements will be the decider.

    PVCs have been around for quite a while so plenty of used choice.....UK vans will generally have pull together beds (like a caravan lounge) while those from the continent will generally have smaller front lounges and give over more space to rear bed(s) and storage under...

    slim coachbuiilts are a slightly more recent innovation although a coule of continental brands have been doing them for a while...

    one main difference with these (accommodation wise) is that coachbuilts have more vertical sides (not tapering like a PVC) giving a little more space and possibly headroom....

    also, check wheelbase lengths, some PVCs have a long wheelbase which can negate some of the benefit of reduced length when it comes to town driving and parking....

    best bet, get out there and try a few of each type on the road in real life situations.....once you've decided on size you can get plenty more help with model types to help you squeeze the most out of your pint pot...

    good luck .......

  • Aspenshaw
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    edited March 2018 #7

    I can get my 2.34m wide motorhome within the lines of standard parking bays which are 2.4m wide. I cannot get its 6m of length in a standard parking space which is 4.8m long. In tight areas, turning circles become important.

    More and more park & rides have dedicated 'large vehicle' parking areas. With a larger motorhome, an ipad or tablet can be useful when on tour to check out destinations.

    Having caravanned, I know the perception is that it's a hassle to pack up and go but this hassle has not disappeared now that I am a motorhomer. Yes it's quicker to pack up and go in a motorhome but does ten minutes or so make much difference? You can spend that amount of time driving around a car park to find a parking space for your motorhome.

    If Rod wants to tour a specific area, then a centrally located site for the caravan is better than a motorhome. If Rod wants to tour in a linear fashion, say from the Cotswolds to East Anglia, then a motorhome is better. If Rod wants to have the facilities such as toilet, cooker, on a day trip then a motorhome wins. If Rod is going to use site facilities, like we do, then a smaller motorhome can work well - especially if they spend more time in the outdoors rather than sitting in the vehicle watching it rain for hours.

    Motorhoming demands more compromises than caravanning. I suggest that if Rod cannot reconcile the motorhome size with the type of touring to be undertaken, then sticking with a caravan is best. Too big a financial risk otherwise.

     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #8

    Rod, this was our first MH. It’s a similar size to your described 7.5m. You can see that secondary transport was needed and you can guess at the faff and hassle that involved. 

    It was a huge mistake -pun intended. We kept it 5 months and were glad to see the back of it. 

    It’s ultimately your decision but I’m trying to point out possible pitfalls  

     

  • Kennine
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    edited March 2018 #9

    When moving from a caravan to a motorhome, It is best to remember that the Motorhome allows much more flexibility and a completely different holidaying style.  No more driving to site pitching up on a touring base and using the towcar to tour all around that base. 

    Motorhomes can allow you to do your touring En-Route and not have a permanent base. Just using camping places to overnight. 

    On that basis, choose a M/Home whose size allows you to enjoy the facilities of your van wherever you go without being a complete bind to park in villages, towns and cities and places of interest. Check all the layouts and choose the minimum size which would suit your lifestyle. 

    Happy Vanning

     

  • Randomcamper
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    edited March 2018 #10

    TW......

    What trailer is that in your picture please......??

    I am just buying one.......

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #11

    It was made by a local company, TT, and it started falling apart. It wasn’t fit for purpose and, eventually, the company settled before court proceedings started. 

    We should have gone for something like a Brian James. 

  • Randomcamper
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    edited March 2018 #12

    Ah....right, thanks.....

    I've just ordered an Ifor Williams CT115, it looked to be similar proportions......

    Thanks....

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited March 2018 #13

    Rod, all the previous posts have given good advice. Moving from a big caravan, into a smallish MH will require some deep research, and a mindset change, but, if it keeps you holidaying, and enjoying those holidays, then is well worth it. Touring in anything 6.5 metres and down can be surprisingly easy, even in this country, but you do have to choose your routes carefully, and do some research on parking, which to be honest, isn't onerous. We swopped from a caravan to a small 5.5 motorhome four years ago, and despite all sorts of things preventing us taking long breaks, we still get out and about much more. Life has more spontaneity, is a whole lot less hassle, but still comfortable, even with two big dogs. It is a choice, go big and you will regret it, tied to public transport, hassle to move about and park up. But compromise a little, still find a layout that suits, a size you can live with and you won't look back! No idea where you live, we are up North, and it's small motorhome heaven up here, only place we have compromised a little was down tiny lanes in Cornwall, but we still had a couple of glorious weeks travelling all over. You learn to plan small tours to get out and see things, rather than doing the "Hobbit" there and back to Site again each day, and as someone mentioned, your kitchen, your lounge, your bird hide, your sunhouse, your rain shelter goes with you! But do a lot of thinking, a lot of research. We had a must have/can do list, and a don't really need it list. Having said that, we only looked at one and bought it, but we had done camper vans previously, and knew what we wanted! Good luck!smile

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #14

    It probably is a similar size, TT. You should be OK with an IW trailer. 

    The unusual feature of ours was the hydraulically operated tilt rather than ramps. 

  • dunelm
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    edited March 2018 #15

    Bolero Boy stated :

    "parking isn't such an issue 'over there' ".

    This isn't always true even in France. We found last May in Britanny that there were more car parks than previously with height barriers and that in a number of towns and villages camping cars (motorhomes) were banned from carparks where there were no height barriers.

    We have a 5.75 metres long panel van and can often park easily here and on the other side of the Channel (as long as there aren't restrictions as mentioned above). We really enjoy having a campervan/motorhome but recognise that even with such a small one there are some places where parking can be difficult or impossible.

     

    RodW  please don't believe that it is easy to park a 6 metres long van in a normal car parking space and only overhang by "about 0.5 m" as suggested by Tinwheeler.

    There are some car parks (not at supermarkets) with restrictions meaning if you overhang into a 2nd bay you have to pay for both bays and some where even this is not allowed.

    He is perfectly correct in stating that "7.5m is massive in terms of parking". I am surprised RodW that you had to ask whether it was "going to be too large to park  easily in a city". 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #16

    "RodW please don't believe that it is easy to park a 6 metres long van in a normal car parking space and only overhang by "about 0.5 m" as suggested by Tinwheeler."

    I did say the 6m PVC is easier, not easy, dunelm. The narrower width is a great bonus as well as the shorter length. Granted, the second bay charging scenario is something to consider.

  • dunelm
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    edited March 2018 #17

    Tinwheeler, what I was querying was the idea that it was easy to overhang a bay by only  "about 0.5m" with a 6m van.  I don't think that standard bays are in the region of 5.5m long.

    As you say, the possibility of being charged for a second bay in some car parks is something to consider. I am sure we both agree and would recommend to a new motorhomer  that it is always necessary to check any notices in car parks to be aware of any rules or restrictions.

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  • InaD
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    edited March 2018 #19

    Our car is not quite as long, but depending on the car park, there is not much space spare.  Width of car parking spaces varies quite a bit too, our local Tesco spaces are not very generous width-wise to say the least.  

  • peedee
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    edited March 2018 #20

    On the other hand towing a car,especially with an A-Frame isn't a faff and gives you the best of both worlds.  Tour, not stopping anywhere very long, or stay for weeks in one place. I have never found it a problem either to find sites with handy public transport, cycle, walk, hire a car or take my own along and the smallest van I have owned was 7.5m. Been towing with an A-Frame for 17 years now and on my third tow car and second A-Frame.

    The choice is yours

    peede

  • Canenriot
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    edited March 2018 #21

    TW,

    That picture brings back memories , that's the  outfit you had when we first met you at Godrevy.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #22

    That's it and that’s when the pic was taken. It was our first outing with that outfit. Things went downhill from there. frown

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2018 #23

    My car is 5.2 & over hangs parking bays.

  • mbee1
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    edited March 2018 #24

    Not sure why getting the caravan ready is a “faff”. Our caravan is ready to go all year round. The only items we need to take are clothes and food which is what you would also need in a MH. It’s fully self contained, has its own pots and pans etc. I think a caravan is less of a faff on site.  You already have the car there to use, don’t have to pack everything away when you want to go out for the day and no worries parking. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #25

    I think its a myth that motorhomers need to put everything away before they leave site for the day.

    We live fairly tidily in the van and it's only kettle and cups to put away, the fridge door to lock and the EHU cable to pick up.

    If, on the other hand, you spread your belongings around and leave the sink full of dishes, then you make life unnecessarily difficult for yourself.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #26

    There are bays and bays, Dunelm, and many car parks have a perimeter border which it’s possible to overhang without causing a nuisance.

    You are actually slightly misquoting me which is enough to put a different slant on things. I did not say it is easy to overhang a bay by only 0.5m. I said the 6m PVC is much easier (to manoeuvre and park than the wider 6.4m coachbuilt) and overhangs by about 0.5m.

    Quote - "We now have a 6m panel van conversion which is much easier. It only needs one bay widthways in a supermarket car park and overhangs by about 0.5m."

    Not very different but enough to change the emphasis of my comment.

    Note, too, that I was specifically referring to supermarket car parks. Obviously, parking arrangements and spaces vary widely and care has to be taken in choosing wisely.

  • Aspenshaw
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    edited March 2018 #27

    I stated the current standard for parking spaces in my earlier post. They are 2.4m wide and 4.8m long. The standards may change as it is recognised that an increasing number of cars cannot fit in these spaces.

    I agree with Tinwheeler; there are car parks where you can overhang without causing a nuisance. It's common sense to use these where possible. 

     

     

  • PITCHTOCLOSE
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    edited March 2018 #28

    And you will not need bicycles to get around on😇Or a bus timetable 👍

  • peedee
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    edited March 2018 #29

    But look how healthy we stay.

    peedee

  • Kennine
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    edited March 2018 #30

    Parking a motorhome in a lined off car park needs intelligent decisions. To say that the M/H will "just fit" side to side into lined parking space with an overhang front to back, does not take into account that any vehicle using the adjacent spaces on either side of the van will have difficulty in opening their doors far enough to enter or exit.  This could result in damage to the M/H and / or the adjacent vehicles.  

    smile

  • dunelm
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    edited March 2018 #31

    Tinwheeler

    you are obviously offended and upset by my comments and I am sorry about that.

    What I could have put in my opening post was "Don't believe that it is possible to park a 6 metres long van in a normal  parking bay and only overhang by about 0.5m".

    However I thought that would be too provocative as it would mean that  I was saying you were not telling the truth. That certainly could/would have offended you.

     

    However, a number of  contributors have posted that they have found that  it is not possible to park some shorter  vehicles in  normal sized bays without overhanging. (I believe that it is important that correct information is given when responding to a question rather than something misleading.)

    I am sorry if this offends you  - I do not wish to engage in a protracted series of posts so am happy to leave it here. 

    Continue to enjoy your motorhoming - we both agree that panel vans suit our needs and we find them to be practical.