Learner drivers on motorways

Oneputt
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edited March 2018 in General Chat #1
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  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2018 #2

    seems a good idea to have some experience of motorway driving at some point before you actually have to use one.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited March 2018 #3

    Good point C, I never did understand the attitude of Govt-‘you’ve passed your test without using an M/way now you can go onto the fast moving lanes full of vehicles that kill. . . .Often’☹️

  • Metheven
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    edited March 2018 #4

    It is a good idea, but I would like to think that it would only be allowed to happen with perhaps a dual controlled vehicle, or a registered and maybe advanced instructor.

    Not certain about 'your mate' who has a full licence would be as aware to the conditions, or even care as to what is around as much as a registered instructor.

  • Milothedog
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    edited March 2018 #5

    Some 15 years ago when my Son passed his test, I paid for him to do a thing called Pass Plus. basically a short course that covered all the other bits, like motorways, that the test didn't.

    Don't know if driving schools / instructors still offer it ?

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #6

    OPutt,  not  too  far  from  the  M11  tho !!

    Just  think  of  those  learners  up  in  northern  Scotland  or  nw Wales.

    Just  thinking  about  it  ??  Where  do  the  Scots  Islanders  take  their  test  never  mind  motorway  experience ??

  • trellis
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    edited March 2018 #7

    IMO ,an excellent idea providing the pupils are reasonable proficient and well past the"kangaroo stage"we all knew and loved.😂😂.

  • Justus2
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    edited March 2018 #8

    Not very convenient for some parts of the country. Our nearest motorway is one hour away...

  • Fisherman
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    edited March 2018 #9

    Arnt motorways supposed to be the safest roadways.? Experience is everything.No problem to us here as the nearest Mway is 60 miles away.

  • HelenandTrevor
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    edited March 2018 #10

    It seems like a good idea, our eldest son did the pass plus after he passed his test, thought it was a good idea as we live close to the motorway to get some experiance. Youngest son had an extra lesson on the motorway after he passed his test last year, living in Manchester he would be using motorways quite an bit. 

  • Oneputt
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    edited March 2018 #11

    OPutt, not too far from the M11 tho !!

    No not really, only about 84 miles, the stretch from Norwich south is a dual carriageway.  the closest 70mph dual carriageway from us is 25 miles. Can you imagine driving lesson billssurprised

  • Kennine
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    edited March 2018 #12

    A high percentage of serious traffic accidents are caused by young drivers. Allowing them experience in motorway driving in the presence of a qualified instructor could go a long way to cut the number of those accidents. 

    K

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #13

    The  Club  could  always  open  a  couple  of  those  'Pod  things'  at,  say,  Cherry  Hinton  &  make  them  available  for  those  Learners  tho'.  That  would  make  life  in  that  far  east  part  of  UK  much  safer  all  round  &  gain  a  few  quid  as  well  as  giving  the  younger  generation  an  introduction  to  CMHC  as  well.  { School  Of  MM  lesson  3a part  4 }

     

    Sorry  sorry  everybody  --  Brian's  making  naughty  assumptions  again  embarassed

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2018 #14

    That’s a very similar situation to us, One, and I’ve no doubt there are lots of similar locations around the country.

    I think it is a good idea to teach the more advanced learners on m/ways if they’re in close proximity and likely to need to use them after passing their tests.

  • neveramsure
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    edited March 2018 #15

    I should think it is a good idea for the more accomplished learners.smile

    As the article says, only professional instructors with dual control cars are eligible to accompany the learner.

    It can only be a good thing if it improves the way some drivers enter the motorway, sometimes by forcing you over into a busy middle lane when you have a caravan attached.yell

  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2018 #16

    yes, according to the report it has to be in a dual control car with your driving instructor. 

    I had both lessons with British School of Motoring (are they still going?) and my dad - It was a right of passage in those days to have your dad screaming at you trying to teach you how to drivesmile

    When it came to my kids (remembering the shouting when I tried to help them with their homework -  trust me no matter good a teacher you are you just can't teach your own children) I left it fully in the hands of the experts .

  • neveramsure
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    edited March 2018 #17

    I taught my eldest daughter to drive and she only had a few paying lessons before passing first attempt.smile

    I do not consider myself to be a good teacher for anything else, I know my limitations. My hat goes off to you and others in your profession.smile

  • SELL
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    edited March 2018 #18

    We did the same for our eldest son if I remember correctly he also got a discount when he took his first insurance out.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2018 #19

    You've obviously not read the link ...... innocent

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2018 #20

    I'd imagine an instructor would be more confident in teaching learners when they have dual controls wink

  • Metheven
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    edited March 2018 #21

    No, not properly, my computers 'ADBlocker' got picked up by Auto Express and it put a big notice on the screen telling me to turn it off embarassedlaughing I read it after someone pointed it out and hoped no-one would notice innocent

  • cariadon
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    edited March 2018 #22

    It's not just the newly qualified that need lessons on MWay driving,

    Many "older" drivers need a refresher on motorway etiquette.

     

  • ABM
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    edited March 2018 #23

    Lots  of  drivers  need  that  refresher,  Cariadon,  and  not  just  on  M-ways. Coming  off  a  retail  car park  in  Crewe  t'other  day  I  got  lots  of  " Hooting  "  &  gestures  just  because  I  allowed  a  couple  of  others  to  interleave.  It  pleased  them  but  caused  Great  Anger  in  the  car  behind  me.  

  • redface
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    edited March 2018 #24

    I seem to recall that, when learning to drive, my instructor used a lot of 'A' road, dual carriageways to show me what a motorway would be like.

    As a result when I passed the test the motorway held no terrors for me (but of course, I put the fear of G into the people already on it)

    Do not motoring schools do this these days?

  • paul56
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    edited March 2018 #25

    Probably a good idea to get some Mway experience before being let lose. However, far too many 'drivers' still appear to think that motorways only have one lane - the middle one where they will sit at 65 mph.

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2018 #26

    I think its a good idea too.  Caradon makes a very valid point, there are far too many weekend or amateur drivers in the motorway these days. They sit in the middle lane,- lane 2, and appear not to realise that the correct running lane for all vehicles is lane 1.  Lanes 2 and 3 are both overtaking lanes.

    I fully accept that the above is the theoretical ideal, and that in practise that means that a driver running at the  maximum 70 mph would as a result be weaving in and out constantly.  For them I accept that a return to lane 2 as soon as possible is the more sensible.  But there is no excuse for for the slower driver who sits in lane 2 when lane 1 is available to move into.

    The standard of driving - especially at weekends, is often quite frightening for the experienced driver, used to the better motorway standards seen during the working week.  So any opportunity to teach new drivers good motorway practises can only be a good thing.

    TF

  • JillwithaJay
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    edited March 2018 #27

    One of our grandsons is about to apply for his first provisional and will have lessons from a professional even though I previously taught his dad who is a Class 1 HGV driver.  

    There is an option for further lessons on motorway driving once he's passed his test.

    Once he's passed he then has the daunting task of finding the funds for insurance.

  • woodlanewanderers
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    edited March 2018 #28

    I think learners should be taught motorway driving. We all experienced the first time we went down a slip road to join a motorway.  

    We live in Pembrokeshire, 55 miles to the nearest motorway.

    This would put 2 hour on a driving test or lesson.

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2018 #29

    I suppose the answer to those motorists who say that as they don't have any Motorways near them,  it doesn't apply in their case, is to agree with them- and issue them with a restricted licence which does not allow motorway driving  until they have received the required training!

    It works very well with Pilots licences which allow pilot in command status to only those who have passed on that type of machine and under certain Met conditions.  i.e VMC, or IMC.

    I'm sure that if such restrictions were imposed on car drivers they would quite quickly find time to get the required training in.  Simples!

     

    TF

  • cariadon
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    edited March 2018 #30

    The way people are taught to drive is so different from when I passed my test.  I think the standard of driving is not as good as it was, or is it the "this is my road and I'll do what suits me" attitude.

  • Metheven
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    edited March 2018 #31

    I go along with that TF👍