The Club and Plastic
Just received the lasted club magazine, so sad in light of all the current publicity to see that the club is continuing to use plastic wrappers for its post items. As a "Green" organisation one would have hoped it would have found a "Green" alternative by now.
Just think of all those Turtle's and the clubs wrappers !!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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Good point, what is wrong with a suitably sized envelope that is 100% recyclable👍🏻. Most of us play at being ‘green planet conscious’☹️
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Sorry to digress but this post reminded me. I work in a place that handles and banks hundreds of cheques a day. This week Barclays Bank have issued us with printed A4 plastic bag envelopes to deposit the daily cheques in, instead of the normal small paper envelopes. This is progress? We were all appalled. We're going to try and make our stock of envelopes last as long as possible. What makes it even worse is each bag is only allowed to contain 20 cheques so we well be using 3 or 4 plastic bags a day instead of one paper envelope. 😕
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It's not uncommon for magazines to be delivered in plastic wraps. My MMM has just arrived in a poly bag as do many cruise brochures and I think the C&CC as well. If we all start using paper envelopes the paper has to come from somewhere and whether the true benefit to the environment is far greater than plastic it would be interesting to know given the complete process. The answer is, and may be the case already, that the plastic has got to be the sort that biodegrades so it is not a danger to turtles or any other animal.
David
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Not worked out how my plastic wrappers get from here, via landfill etc to reach the turtles far away. Any idea?
As for paper David surely that would require more tree planting and that would be green of itself. Not so sure about the rest of the processes though.
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When oh when will the national media,the law and all of us realize and admit, it is not the problem of plastic being used in our society, it is the idle people that just litter our land. Just cannot imagine how anyone can carry a full drink bottle or pack of food to the top of a hill in a beautiful park then can't carry it back down empty. To surcharge responsible people for the lawbreaking others is as bad as ruining the suspensions of our vehicles crossing speed bumps because of the mindless few.
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Recycle now INFORMATION
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indoors, I think the general idea is-cut out the use of plastic & it can’t be used by the litterers👍🏻
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In a way we do - you will get prosecuted in Scotland if you are above the 50 ml limit. So one is in effect banned from having more than 1/2 pint or equivalent.
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Does anyone else see the irony of a thread relating to green issues on a caravan club forum where’s we drive large gas guzzling cars abound towing even larger units therebye using even more fuel therebye causing more pollution 😄 (please note use of smiley)
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Following on from Deleted User User's point
In Copenhagen, you can buy take-out coffees in decent plastic cups. When finished with, you put them in a recycling point (of which there are many) and you receive a refund of approximately 50%. There's no litter anywhere and the kids are more than happy to pick up any that are dropped.
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indoors-ban plastic but replace with a totally recyclable material(paper). Banning alcohol without an alternative is an unfair/inaccurate comparison.
us using plastic is killing the planets innocent wildlife. Drinking alcohol isn’t killing the planets innocent wildlife. So, another unfair/inaccurate comparison.
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" Totally recyclable material ( paper ) " is still litter.
Plastic is not killing innocent wildlife, people are !
The felling of trees to produce paper is killing innocent wildlife.
" Drinking alcohol isn’t killing the planets innocent wildlife "
It's killing innocent people !
My OP was my opinion and whilst we carry on accepting idleness by what is now probably the majority, our beautiful land / world will always
suffer.
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Just think of all those Turtle's and the clubs wrappers
I'm not an expert in the eating habits of turtles but I can't see how they can get the wrappers off?
(Bit like why don't Polar bears eat Penguins)
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Paper can be totally recycled & breaks down quickly.
the Trees that are felled for paper production are grown for pulp wood, very little wildlife live in dense Spruce forests, they move away as the Harvesters move in.
those that drink heavily choose to, wildlife don’t have that choice.
your opinions are valid as opinions, the fact I disagree with them is not at issue. I don’t accept idleness by the way.
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Back to the wrappers, there are various Green alternatives. One of our magazines comes in potato starch wrappers which last plenty long enough to do their job, look much like plastic, but then compost quite easily.
There's less and less excuse for using plastic for such things.
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Hi everyone,
We fully appreciate your concerns and thank you for your feedback. Our magazine is wrapped in fully recyclable material and we have an LDPE4 logo stamped on the carrier each month to make people are aware of this. If anyone were to opt not to recycle the material used to conceal this magazine, it would degrade naturally as it should.
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Cor Blimey, Rowena you really do know how to kill off a discussion young lady
.Wonder if anybody has dashed off to the waste bin to find the old cover and put it back into the correct recycle bin !!
B
P.S. And you're still at the treadmill at that late hour too !!
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I read today that Parliament is looking at the possibility of making plastic end users & manufacturers utilise a certain percentage of waste, synthetic polymers in their products.
Hopefully this will come to pass and the plastic waste mountain reduce as a result.
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BBC News - Identifying plastics
Quote re LDPE4:
LDPE Low density polyethylene Carrier bags, some bottles and containers, yokes holding four or six-packs of cans together, lining or laminating cardboard containers. Carrier bags are collected by some supermarkets and recycled into low-grade uses such as bin bags. Not generally collected from households for recycling. However, mixed plastic recycling is expected to be under way within five years.
It appears that it is not widely recycled by many councils so will still end up at landfill for many years to come.
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When I worked in Morocco I never saw an empty drink can littering the streets. The kids collected them and sold them to 'artisans' who cut pieces out and stamped designs on the unprinted side to use as decoration on their antique guns and other artefacts that they sold in the souks.
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I get a couple of magazines that are not wrapped. They have a small piece of sticky paper that stops them coming open (the sticky paper is a circle about 2cm in diameter) . My name and address are printed on the back cover. No plastic, no envelope and no inserts.
Every little thing we can do to reduce plastic use helps.
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I don’t know if my District Council’s recycling capability is less than elsewhere, but they clearly ask us not to put “stretchy” plastic in a recycle bin. Ditto, HWRC, from where it is sent to landfill. It seems that the UK Govt pays commercial recyclers a subsidy for every ton of material processed. This payment is reduced, pro rata, for the % of material judged to not be recyclable. Typically UK recyclers only receive half, because of this. BUT recycleable waste which is baled and shipped to country’s such as China (we return lots of otherwise empty containers there because we import more than export) receives the full subsidy, regardless. As of January this year, China is no longer accepting our rubbish, because much of what we have sent them isn’t recyclable. So now we have to ship it to Vietnam or similar places. It’s not unusual for poorer and smaller countries to dump unusable waste at sea - after travelling half way around to world, before harming turtles. Biodegradable supermarket bags, such as those used by Tesco, before the 5p charge, make for poor storage in our lofts, because they disintegrate into confetti sized pieces. Hence they aren’t a landfill problem - their contents may be though. On a recent public area litter pick which I was involved with, the most bulk was from sodden cardboard boxes. And our local HWRC wouldn’t take the, dumped, steel car wheel, complete with its tyre. I’d like to see deposits on all drinks containers, which children will happily collect and redeem, just as I did when young. Best of all, include ‘Citizenship’ in school curriculums in an effort to reduce noise pollution, littering, parking half on the pavement and best of all, persuade people to think about the ramifications of what and who, they are supporting.when they vote.
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