Charging electric cars on Club sites.
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The price of fuel ( petrol/diesel) is actually quite cheap but it is the tax levied of around 64% that makes up the majority of the cost,
As JVB suggests above, if EV vehicles become widespread then the Government will have no option but to introduce similar taxes onto EV vehicles. So, whilst it may be better for the environment, I cannot see it resulting in lower costs for the motorist
P.S My parents rented their first Colour TV in 1968 ish ( and they were not rich!)
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It might not be that easy! After all, how do they tax an electric socket in your own home?
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Your electric bill is subject to VAT, currently 5%. After Brexit, the UK Govt can impose whatever rate of 'purchase tax' it sees fit.
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Why not simply work on the Vehicle Tax, what we think of as road fund tax? Not the "fuel", here electricity, as that has so many other uses than powering vehicles.
I do see its increase as being eyewateringly huge as not only is the figure got to replicate what Vehicle Tax pulls in now but should also be pitched to cover the massive infrastructure cost the change to EVs will inevitably force on us all.
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I understood that the latest generation of smart meters were able to differentiate between what items were using the power. If they can tell when you are charging a vehicle, this portion of your usage could be charged or taxed at a much higher rate.
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The government is/will introducing a pay by the mile scheme for lorries.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-4246412
Once established for wagons they will simply roll it out for cars in a few years time, so replacing the revenue lost from petrol/diesel tax.
Then it doesn't matter that electricity is barely taxed......
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As low mileage users needing two differing capability vehicles and not generally using high traffic density roads and at peak high cost times, that sort of taxation method would be excellent.
I see it having high facilitating costs, more so for visitors but all doable.
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I tend to agree that it will likely go that way in the future. Given that the Government rate EV's for zero tax it would be a bit strange for them to suddenly impose the same tax regime they currently do for petrol and diesel vehicles. One way round this would be to move the goal posts and change to a system of paying by miles driven. Like Oscid I think my general driving would mean that I would pay a lot less than I do now. It could also help in persuading people to use public transport during peak times if that is an alternative.
David
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I was responding to the quoted contribution referring to a mileage based source of road taxation, as mooted for HGVs.
Which no doubt would be via GPS so could include time of day and road congestion terms as well as the type of vehicle; on the face of it an equitable system? The bigger users of the busier roads at the most congesting times, pay for that. With some "sealed" device fixed to the vehicle and charges directly to a credit card or bank account?
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Charging anywhere there is an EHU. By opting for the above there is no need for a vehicle fuel tax on electrical supplies, so if using at home or elsewhere it carries the 5% VAT or whatever electricity ends up being taxed for any use.
Charging away from base, then sign up as a subscriber to one or other of a whole partnered network of public access charging points. Much as the mobile phone companies operate, the model is already there. On past records, the powers to be could gift such network franchises to any and all foreign companies who want a slice of the UK and gives them a cut
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Well, the energy now coming out of the EHUs can be from various companies, and your mobile can use other than your own network. So as said the model is there and realistically has to be or the whole would be just a nightmare.
The Club could easily get into bed with any franchised EV charging company, and if these are forced to be partnered then you being a subscriber to Wonder Power Ltd, and the Club going with Super Power Ltd would concern you not; their computers will bill as needed.
But then if there is no "vehicle fuel tax" on electricity itself and the Club have gone to metering EHUs, then for slow charging just plug into the van's side; there being no taxation implications on what it powers.
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, But you are a customer of one network normally it would mean having how many "smart cards"depending on where you need a charge, and i would think by the time every one is "forced" to have an EV then charging via your own LV will be a no no if not sooner
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10 amp should be ample of holiday usage, a holiday is time to be out and about enjoying yourself, a time to sit and read, play games, talk, not to sit for hours watching TV, computer / iPad and any other gizmos therefore 10 amps is sufficient for the caravaner on holiday.
I must state here that 10 ampers is quite insufficient for holiday use. I don't spend hours watching the microwave or the espreso machine, but they need far more power than a television. As for sitting in the cold playing games, that's not a holiday, for me anyway.
As this thread is considering the non-use of fossil fuels then the cooking is on electricity, as is the fridge and heating. The hair dryer and electic rollers are a (sometimes twice) daily necessity, and for those of us who chose to live (or holiday) in the north part of Britain the very few hours of very low angle sun are not enough for the solar panel to maintain the battery to run the lights, radio. flush the toilet, etc.
But I'm so glad that others will volunteer to use the 10 amp pitches so that the 16 amp ones can be enjoyed by others.
When The Caravan Club is forced to install electric vehicle charging points to pitches I suggest that they increase the EHU capability to 32 amps to cope with the increased usage within the caravans of the future.
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Quote: "When The Caravan Club is forced to install electric vehicle charging points to pitches I suggest that they increase the EHU capability to 32 amps to cope with the increased usage within the caravans of the future."
Now, this raises another issue, will they permit parallelling of EHU cables with adaptors? Or, have we to budget to buy yet another cable.
Then as 25 metres as one lump will be a challenge can we have authority then to join two 12.5 m lengths.
It all needs thinking about
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I would think if the time comes that everything is EVs then part of the high cost of upgrading the power supplies,would need a metered EHU on each pitch with a dedicated EV outlet included,that could also be used via an adaptor for the awning heater
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Charging points will have to be placed in parking area, schools, hospitals, airports, not just 1 or 2 but thousands. Small towns and villages will have to have them installed so that people unable to charge them up at home can have charging points.
It's going to take some major changes of car management. In the centre and outskirts of Brighton (also in most large towns/cities I expect) there are thousands of mostly Victorian terraced houses and more recent blocks of flats in narrow roads which have double yellow lines which are encroaching further and further into the surrounding areas. (A day's parking at the city centre car park in North Road Brighton is not unusual in costing £28). Residents have to park a long way out of town and walk or take the bus for the last half mile or so home. Parking really is so bad that for at least the past 5 years my builder Bro-in-Law won't even consider quoting for work at addresses in much of Brighton.
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Off topic I know, but it does concern electrical power.
If I was approaching a vehicle after an accident and the occupant was unresponsive. I would have no concerns re my safety, unless the vehicle showed signs of catching fire. An EV however, has the potential to be live. How does one tell without touching it. Is there any sort of safety indicator.
In a recent Grand Prix, in a hybrid car, one of the drivers was told to pull over and exit the car by standing on it and jumping well clear. So clearly the risk exists. Thinking about it, even if the occupants of the car are responsive, it does not mean it is safe, as they would be protected until they earthed themselves.
Food for thought.
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Instead of rolling out ev outlets put in a metered supply and pay for what you use,should have started this years ago.
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This is an interesting read for anyone considering changing to a hybrid, plug in or EV. Click on the highlighted link.
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32A electric connection points are available now on some sites in Europe. Bella Vista in Duquesa, Spain for example has 16A and 32A sockets on every pitch.
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