Charging electric cars on Club sites.
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Nevertheless, it is going to happen that petrol and diesel vehicles will become obsolete and when that happens everyone will have to convert to EV whether they like it or not. When that happens, all caravanners will have EVs that will need to be charged overnight through their caravan electric. If they don't, they'll have no power to run their cars to do their shopping, visiting places, visiting friends and family etc. Furthermore, without electric power, they'll be unable to tow their caravan either to or from club sites.
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It will eventually be necessary for your own convenience, when petrol and diesel become obsolete!
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10 amps would not satisfy the requirements of modern caravan usage. The future may mean a higher than 16 amp bollards will need to be installed!
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10 amp should be ample of holiday usage, a holiday is time to be out and about enjoying yourself, a time to sit and read, play games, talk, not to sit for hours watching TV, computer / iPad and any other gizmos therefore 10 amps is sufficient for the caravaner on holiday.
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Before that happens the government will have to make big changes. Charging points will have to be placed in parking area, schools, hospitals, airports, not just 1 or 2 but thousands. Small towns and villages will have to have them installed so that people unable to charge them up at home can have charging points.
Once all vehicles has been charged to electricity, then the fun will start. The tax the government are getting from fuel will have to be recouped from somewhere else, so the price of electricity will rocket, so then the cost of heating the home will mean that some will be Unable afford to.
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I have yet to be convinced that plug in EV is the way forward. It is fine for short journeys around town, but unless we significantly change the way we work, or develop much more efficient batteries / charging, will never replace the internal combustion engine. My son for instance travels thousands of miles a year. Often 400 miles a day.
Perhaps the FCV may have a part to play, particularly where longer journeys are concerned.
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Agree SteveL, a lot more research and development needs to be made before total use of EV can be achieved. Rural areas have totally driving needs to a city, Lorries, planes, tractors and other heavy working vehicles needs are different to a car. A person who travels say 15 miles to work on a flat road, will be different to someone who travels up an down hills, congested stop start roads.
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We are successfully using our EV for short and long distances. There undoubtedly will be further developments. Some early EV developments have failed. There have also been production problems. Some manufacturers are getting ahead now. A couple of days ago we parked up locally to do some shopping alongside two other EVs, next year we'll no doubt see more.
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Almost certainly, whilst to government throw money at it. Didn't they do something similar a few years ago to encourage cleaner Diesel vehicles.🤔 Whilst the electric energy is generated in a large part by fossil fuel, it can never be the answer. Plus of course we have not even started with the problems of recycling all those millions of lithium batteries. That will be a problem for a future administration.☹️
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The nevarnia you are trying convey ,is generations in the future,the Govenments do a lot of "blue sky thinking" to try to win brownie points from one another,
To "help?" ease the shortage of houseing they want to build 12000 properties in this area, and when asked by our local town society,are they all going to be enviromentaly compatable for the future not one of the companies they contacted had any plans to install EHUs for charging EVs
The infrastructure that would be req is so huge that no one without a lot money from the govenment (us) would be able to afford it,
So as far as the Leisure industry doing it around the country ?then its never going to happen as the users of would not pay the prices , there are enough complaints about prices now
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It will be gradual, just as the changeover from horsepower was gradual, no doubt fuel had to be found then, there was no "infrastructure" and we didn't produce our own fuel at the time.
Out of interest everyone who has had a go in our EV is impressed and interested. Younger members of the family are totally unfazed.
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I think you're right, brue. Petrol stations will eventually stop selling petrol or diesel because there will be no market for it. They will switch over to fast charging points at a fraction of the cost of buying fossil fuels.
It's like that saying from the movie 'Field of Dreams.' "If you build it, they will come." Well they are building and selling more electric cars and people will come to buy them so that petrol and diesel will be consigned to history. Mark my words!
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We were not as reliant on our own transport in those days to get us where we wanted,it cannot be a "gradual" as then,
and how long have we had internet and there are still thousands of small companies and houses,in places without adequate supply
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The problem I have is where is all this electricity going to come from. We are constantly being urged to reduce consumption, both for our own pockets and because generation cannot keep place with demand. I was just playing with a few figures, perhaps others can comment if they seem correct. Because I am sure I must be doing something wrong.
If we say EV ownership was only 1 million of 30 million cars on our roads, and each requires an average charge of 10 kw a night ( that's 10,000 watts of electricity each night) so a total of ten thousand million watts. Or 10,000 MW. Hunterston B nuclear plant only puts out 965MW, so I am sure I must of made a mistake.
However my brain hurts so I am giving in.
Whatever the figures it will be extra power. Where is it coming from.🤔
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This thread has proved that there is a huge divergence between those who accept that Electric Vehicles are the future and those who are firmly locked into the idea that the Internal Combustion Engine is the future. ---- Interesting views from both camps.
It is obvious that Camping organisations, for the time being does allow the odd EV to charge from the site electricity supply on pitch, will not be able support widespread use of their electricity in this way in the near future and beyond.
As EV use increases, as it surely will, I predict a huge change in the way people holiday on campsites. In fact there is a strong possibility that the use of towed Caravans will reduce to minimalist proportions, with most campers opting for alternatives.
K
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I do not think that is the case of fossil fuels forever for directly powering transport,but it will be needed for many years to come to enable the change over to be any where near enough to sustain our lifestyle that we have come to take for granted
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Everyone is of the mindset that all things will go on as it is now, with the individual ownership of vehicles, the freedom to do as we please etc with little change. Breakdown in society will arrive when the worlds fossil fuels are depleted, fuel stations closed, electricity only for a few hours a day. The end is nigh, but I'll be gone
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Very much the basis of the "Mad Max" films......
Best films ever......
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When colour tv first came out in the 60s, only the very rich bought colour tv sets because they were too expensive. Eventually they became more affordable through mass production until now everyone has colour tv. The same will happen with EV!
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I don't think anyone is disputing things will have to change. It is just the practicality / speed of that change that folk are questioning. A colour TV only required a bit more electricity and a new licence. Replacing a fossil fuel car with an EV requires replacing the energy generated by that fossil fuel with electricity. That is no easy matter in a short time frame. It takes about 10 years to build a nuclear plant. Current renewables only provide about 25% and any large scale renewables, such as tidal barrages, tend to be killed off by the green lobby. We are also a large importer of electricity from Europe. When they need that to power their EV's we will also have to replace that.
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Its not the vehicles that will be expensive,it will be the cost of running them, when the govenments of the world realise how much they will lose from the revenue now received from the taxes on fossil fuel, and to recoup the massive amounts they have had to invest in the supply of electricity and the infrastructure for charging them all and as of now ,the recycling of old batteries
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The green protagonists are strangely silent on the environmental effects of mining Lithium, Cobalt and Nickel that are required to manufacture all these batteries especially in the Congo where children as young as four are mining Cobalt for hours on end every day.
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