Charging electric cars on Club sites.
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When EV cars become the norm will our streets be awash with cables as people who are lucky enough to park outside their houses charge their vehicles. Don't know what people in flats will do.
Its not just folk in flats that would have a problem, where we live we have a village green in front of our house so cannot have a drive installed. We have a very large garden so plenty of room for a double drive but alas we are not allowed to cut across the green from the road. So our vehicles sit in a private residents car park, unless a bollard charging point was installed there we would not be able to 'run' a cable across the green to our house.
Lots of issues I think in the coming years, we already know that our village cannot cope with any more houses until they upgrade the village transformer, we will not be alone in that problem. Look how long some places are waiting to get a decent internet connection.
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The EV household connector is just a normal plug at one end with a special car connector at the other, this is the slow charge route which we used at first until we installed a fast wall charger. There are various sockets and cables for cars depending on the type of charge needed. We carry two, for slower and faster charges.
We can use the phone zap map to see where charge points are but our car also has a screen that tells us too, it also tells us if a charge point is in use etc.
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Full electric models, like the best-selling Nissan Leaf, benefit far more from the rapid chargers. A single 20 minute session will add approximately 50 to 60 miles of range to a pure-electric vehicle, though that estimated distance will deplete at a faster rate when the car is driven at constant high-speeds on motorways.
Many of these cars will require a charge to reach a location, but have until now faced being blocked by plug-in hybrid owners taking advantage of the free supply of electricity.
An Ecotricty spokesperson told us: 'Different models of plug in car will recharge at different rates, however we looked at the market, the price that other electric car networks were charging, the equivalent costs of refuelling petrol and diesel cars on the motorway and came to the conclusion that £5 per charge was a fair price to pay
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When we used ecotricity at Gloucester services, we paid a fixed charge for plugging in (around £3 but might be less now) then we paid for electricity used, around £1.75 for a fast top up. We didn't really need a charge, we had got from S Somerset on a full charge but wanted to try it out and ensure the return journey was ok. We're getting more confident now with how to run the car and battery and keep things going.
That was a reply to a previous thread. We have the BMWi3, it was a demonstrator fitted out with various gizmos that are proving useful.
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No pun intended?
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As a diesel tow car owner who uses club sites only when they are more acceptable than others, I would simply stop using club sites if they were even less competetive. I think the club is already charging just about the maximum possible without significant resistance from its customers.
The policy of allowing unlimited electricity consumption on the pitch was not intended to supply energy to be taken off site and used elsewhere. EV technology is being developed to enable more energy to be stored in batteries so that range can be increased, and so more energy will have to be drawn from the supply.
Smart metering is the only sensible way for the future. Smart metering operating cost will fall just as fast as the other aspects of Smart energy usage.
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just out of interest I was inspecting a college a few weeks and walking in with one of their staff I noticed that he had a leaf and was charging it at one of the points in the college car park. More of interest was that this charge was completely free to him. So he drove to work, charged it during the day and basically got free fuel. This was under the government's workplace charging scheme which I hadn't really heard about. Apparently it was further expanded in the recent budget:
For those people who own an electric car and have free charging through their company the government has some more good news.
“People who charge their electric vehicles at work will not face a benefit in kind tax,” said the Chancellor.
Last month the government announced a brand-new bill that could actually force petrol and service stations by law to install charging stations for electric and hybrid vehicles.1 -
No its not supplying electricity to do with as you wish, as per another post its supplying electricity to use ON SITE. You have not paid for electricity to charge your car that was never the intention, if you want to charge a car you should pay for the electricity and the infrastructure to do it.
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Last month the government announced a brand-new bill that could actually force petrol and service stations by law to install charging stations for EE and hybrid vehicles.Playing with private sector! Stupid in this case. With possible 15 or more mins charge times existing fuel stations may not be the best place.
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Wot aboot the electrickery used to charge the leisure battery whilst ON SITE hook up? or the charging of mobile phones, battery guns (for winding up the steadies), rechargeable batteries for toys etc all those are stealing the electrikery in the site fee as you exit. Or do you have to discharge them back into the grid afore you depart at the barrier?
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well you may be right but the club does allow charging so it does seem to take the view once you have paid for it you can use it how you wish, I can't see how you can say it was never the intention? how do you know this? Also what infrastructure is needed? It is already there in the shape of your plug in your outfit?
But - someone uses the club's supply to charge their caravan's or MH battery then goes to a site without EHU, or even wild camp in the case of a MH for a few days, goes back to a club site for one night to recharge and does it again. Now that person is using that charge OFF SITE (sorry for shouting but you started it
?I really can't see a difference in charging your car for use off site and your battery to use your outfit off site.
Are you against the idea as you think someone is getting something for nothing? It doesn't bother me at all.
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sorry KeefySher - snap didn't see your post
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INTELEGENT CHARGING.
A few years from now the whole energy scenario will have changed. We will be charging high performance batteries in our shops, factories, homes, vehicles, tools, domestic appliances etc. Batteries with adequate energy storage capacity for a domestic dwelling are already available. Intelligent charging from the National Grid and the use of solar energy will be controlled by the National Grid on a regional basis. The National grid will be able to generate electricity at a much more constant rate around the clock/or day and therefore the National generating capacity will be radically reduced. Intelligent charging (a £/KWh rate determined by the national grid on a variable scale dependant on regional demand) will ensure that consumers comply. Top-up charging will have to be paid for at the appropriate (including peak) rate.
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yes +1, I'm sure it's just looks or sounds good politically
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Going off thread slightly, my work regularly takes me onto new build sites .I have yet to see any EV points being installed into communial car parking areas , house drives etc . Surely if the government were serious over this they would be insisting on the construction companies doing it ?.If anyone on here is clued up on current building regs , it would be good to hear from you.
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I cannot get the figures to stack up. Can anyone explain?
I have a Land Rover Discovery with an engine rated at190kW. It does not run at that rate all the time, as it works a lot less going downhill, and still not at maximum going uphill. Let us say it runs at an average of 100kW for a four hour journey with my caravan to a site. That is 400kWh.
To regain that amount of energy from a site EHU, were it going into a battery, would be 400kWh divided by, say, 3kW (so that there was a small amount of power available to the caravan to run the lights etc). That would take about 133 hours running continuously, or just over five and a half days, to obtain that amount of energy. It would cost approximately £52 which seems only marginally cheaper than the diesel, but the other people staying on the site would be contributing most of the cost through their site fees.
If I wanted to use the vehicle during these five days the time to a full recharge would obviously increase further.
I guess this is where the “fast charge” and “three phase” comes into its own, as having to spend most of a week recharging a battery to go home again seems less than fun, and having to switch off the charging to use the kettle even less.
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I could suggest you look on YouTube to get some idea of the latest EVs, if they have a range extender this keeps the battery topped up whilst driving, (they hold the charge at a chosen level or kick in when needed to add mileage.) So most EV owners would not be looking at full charges, just top ups, possibly off site as it would be quicker at present.
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