alarm or Tracker

ipt
ipt Forum Participant Posts: 17
edited October 2017 in Motorhomes #1

Hi, we are buying a new motorhome, Burstner City Car, and are trying to decide whether to have an alarm fitted, or a tracking device? It has the usual immobiliser fitted as standard. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited September 2017 #2

    I suppose it depends on what you want to achieve. I went for an alarm (Strikeback by VanBitz) because I wanted to a) to put people off trying to break in and B) something to alert me at home if someone tried to steal the van. So I suppose an alarm is about prevention and a tracker about recovery. The latter is covered by insurance should you be unlucky enough for the van to be stolen. I maybe deluding myself but I just hope an alarm might be enough to make someone move on to the next vehicle? 

    David

  • ipt
    ipt Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited September 2017 #3

    Yes I guess that is correct. That would alert us to a break in to  steal things. The tracker also has an ongoing yearly fee of £100....

  • ABM
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    edited September 2017 #4

    There  is  a view  that  you  can  try  to  stop  'em  nicking  your  beloved  vehicle  BUT  once  it's  gone  and  been  missing  for  a  day  or  two  many  would  not  really  want  it  back.  Since  you  can  never  know  what's  been  going  on  they  reckon  they  want  the  insurance  company  to  take  the  hit  and  just  get  out  looking  for  the  replacement  frown

  • ipt
    ipt Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited September 2017 #5

    ABM I think I tend to agree. I have seen the state of dumped stolen vehicles and I would say there owners would not want them back.

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2017 #7

    Knowing where my caravan's alarm is, it could be silenced in seconds with the use of a carefully inserted screw driver. I'm sure that if someone had come to take the caravan, they'd have done some homework first & brought a screw driver with them. Does anyone take any notice of alarms anymore & would you want to tackle any would be thief if you caught them in the act? The could very well be bigger & uglier than you wink

  • cyberyacht
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    edited September 2017 #8

    A narrowly focused explosive charge under the driver's seat would be good. All it would entail would be a new driver's seat. wink

    Seriously, I'm just about to register my MH with the Tracker company which does a five year contract which works out at £60 per year. That's in addition to an alarm system which I've already managed to trigger a couple of times. embarassed

  • NickyKnix
    NickyKnix Forum Participant Posts: 70
    edited September 2017 #9

    Hello ipt,

    Some alarms are actually linked into a tracking device now so when one is activated, the other is too.

    A tracking device will track it, if stolen but as ABM and a lot of Members have said to me on the phone, would you want it back?

    It is a matter of choice, whereby some feel the alarm is adequate and others choose to pay a subscription to have the tracker active as well.

  • nicke
    nicke Forum Participant Posts: 31
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    edited September 2017 #10

    Buy yourself a cheap phone with gps .download a tracking app. hide in van plugged into charger.track it yourself. simple.

     

  • ipt
    ipt Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited September 2017 #11

    Now that is an ideasmile

  • ipt
    ipt Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited October 2017 #12

    Going down the mobile phone route with GPS tracker app. We already have google maps on an Android phone that is rarely used. Which free tracker apps have you used and can recommend.

  • KeithandMargaret
    KeithandMargaret Forum Participant Posts: 660
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    edited October 2017 #13

    I had a very good Category 2-1 'dog friendly' Alarm fitted.

    I also bought a couple of stickers, see pic, for £1 to fasten to the Motorhome – now the Thief doesn't know whether there is a Tracker fitted on not – cheap and hopefully effective.

  • H B Watson
    H B Watson Forum Participant Posts: 183
    edited October 2017 #14

    I went the tracker route because it lowered my insurance, alarms did not. (They may with other insurers). 

    I went for a lifetime subscription because it works out cheaper assuming you keep the vehicle more than about 4 years.

  • Suppards
    Suppards Forum Participant Posts: 1
    edited November 2017 #15

    We're just in the process of buying our first motorhome.  My experience of alarms on vehicles to date is that they are generally more trouble than they're worth and certainly stress-inducing when they malfunction - which in my experience has been often.  The only exception to that is the factory-fitted alarm on my Kia car which has been entirely faultless for three years.  I don't even know what it sounds like when it goes off!

    My personal feeling regarding our new van is that physical security devices which make it harder for a thief to actually enter the vehicle and impossible to drive away if they do is the way to go.  Was considering a Thatcham Category 5 tracker but having read this thread I'm now not so sure.

  • KeithandMargaret
    KeithandMargaret Forum Participant Posts: 660
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    edited November 2017 #16

    If your worry is it being stolen from your drive then a decent locked wooden or metal gate will possibly deter thieves.

    If they are really determined to take it and you equally determined to stop them then a good alarm and tracker are going to be cost effective in probably stopping or recovering the vehicle.

    But - what damage they make to your vehicle might determine whether you actually want it back again!

    Also steering wheel locks and driving wheel clamps will give an easily seen deterrent and make them think twice.

    I would presume most stolen Motorhomes from driveways are driven away with the keys and, surely, not keeping the keys anywhere obvious is another deterrent.

    A simple way to stop the vehicle driven away is, especially if the MH is stood on the drive for some time, to take out and replace the fuel pump fuse with a 'blown' fuse.

    That way the thief cannot start the vehicle and without a lot of time on his hands and a pocket full of various size fuses he will never get it started.

    Even if he has a mechanical brain he has to find which fuse to replace, that can't be easy in the dark and with the risk of being caught, and could be worth a try to give more piece of mind.

    I have a 2013 Fiat Ducato and it takes no longer than five minutes to remove two easily found screws, remove fuse cover, pull out 'good' fuse, replace with 'dead' fuse, replace fuse cover and two screws.

    It may not be 100% secure with an inoperative fuel pump - but it must come pretty close.

  • ipt
    ipt Forum Participant Posts: 17
    edited November 2017 #17

    Ok I put a free App from GPSTrackerforandroid.com on my old phone. It works fine showing the location every two minutes. I just left the phone in the roof of the van for a trial run to test it out. It tracked my wife marshalling at a Husky rally in Swinley Forest with no problem. I can track using a PC on the internet.

    Now I just need to be able to hide the phone with a charger attached. I think I will see if it works in the cupboard where the leisure battery is located. If it works there then I just need to know how to connect to the leisure battery. The leisure battery is charged by a solar panel. I have a charger cable that has a USB socket, and also an adapter for that to go in to a cigar lighter socket. I do have both those types of socket in the front of the van but it would not be so well hidden there.

  • Aspenshaw
    Aspenshaw Forum Participant Posts: 611
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    edited November 2017 #18

    Your insurer will specify whether you need an alarm [almost certainly a Thatcham cat1] or Tracker [usually for high value vans]. This should be your starting point. Whatever systems I've had in my various motorhomes, I have always ensured they met the requirements of the insurer as it will be the one paying out - or not!

    Passive security is also important and again you can get tips from the terms of your policy - it will tell you what you must and must not do. Where you store your motorhome is something worth considering and what protection you decide is necessary to deter thieves. I don't insure with Caravan Guard but this is useful advice on its website:

    https://www.caravanguard.co.uk/news/beef-up-your-motorhome-security-with-visible-devices-13369/?dealercode=URLTRACK&campaignID=NTNET676&sourcebusID=GSITE677&activityID=3NGUISI1

    Enjoy your motorhome. We enjoy ours!

  • cyberyacht
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    edited November 2017 #19

    ipt, that is a good budget solution but is dependant on a decent phone signal that isn't always available, particularly if your van is concealed in a shipping container or underground.

  • Billyc
    Billyc Forum Participant Posts: 64
    edited November 2017 #20

    Hi CY,

    I bought the 5 yr contract with Tracker for my new caravan in 2014, but found that when I changed to a MH in 2016 the 5 yr contract was not transferrable so wasted 3 yrs.   Won't do that again....

    BillC

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #21

    Same for any tracker though. 

  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218
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    edited November 2017 #22

    Tracker claim that theirs works even in such a situation. Hope I never have to find out.

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited November 2017 #23

    Maybe it does? However I have certainly been on sites with no tracker coverage. When I have accidentally set off the alarm I have received a call a day or two later as we have just left the site