Swift build issues

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  • Tinwheeler
    Tinwheeler Forum Participant Posts: 23,142 ✭✭✭
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    edited March 2017 #32

    It all adds to your knowledge, GC.

  • Oneputt
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    edited March 2017 #33

    Already had a warranty repair last summer with no problem.  

  • norab
    norab Forum Participant Posts: 64
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    edited March 2017 #34

    We had a swift conqueror last year in June what a relief after our 4   Year old bailey .

    i love it . I won't say it's has the most stunning interior design  but it won't date and I love it no major issues up to now . Dare I say . Just been recalled to have a gas valve changed that we would never have known about . So it will be due to have its first service soon only one minor thing at the moment . 

    No I am more than happy with this van . 

  • G Cherokee
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    edited March 2017 #35

    Cheers Norab, 

    Liking the positive comments laughing

  • G Cherokee
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    edited April 2017 #36

    Just an update:

    The dealer, BLACK COUNTRY CARAVANS, Have been amazing through this ordeal, they have done wonders with the cosmetic faults with the new caravan.

    I have had regular contact with a girl named Hayley at Swift customer services, and we have now come to an accord.

    Spare wheel relocated,

    External TV point fitted

    Several ( not cheap ) accessories,

    Fist full of cash and next service F.O.C.

    Swift agreed with all my points raised, and admitted that they were at fault. Yes, I could have refused the van, but we would be waiting for 8 weeks for a replacement, and whose to say that the new one would have been without issues??

    So for our convenience, and the issues where purely cosmetic, we opted to let the dealer sort it.

    Jules and I are more than happy with the result.

    So if you have problems with your new vehicle, and it came to the dealers like it, dig your heels in and give the manufacturers an ear bending.

    You never know, if enough people do it, they may (may!) Take heed.

    (Still can't find a site in Shropshire for Easter! frown)

  • alanannej
    alanannej Forum Participant Posts: 79
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    edited April 2017 #37

    1979 was the only time we bought a new van - then no probs whatsoever, other than the fridge (gas only in those days!) which used to defrost after 72 or so hours continuous operation. Took 2 years before manufacturer was persuaded to replace 'the working bits at the back'! 

    Other than that have always gone for a 5 yr old second hand model - thus far any problems there may have been have been sorted!   Last one saw us through 16 years and 35K towing miles before we had to admit problems had reached their sell by date! 

  • G Cherokee
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    edited April 2017 #38

    Yep, lot to be said for buying a mint second hand embarassed

  • Monkey104
    Monkey104 Forum Participant Posts: 55
    edited April 2017 #39

    Last year we bought a dealer special Swift Corniche, a Challenger 580 with added bits.

    We had a few weekends away before touring Portugal, Spain and France for three weeks without any real problems.

    There were a few ' build quality ' issues with bits falling off but nothing to spoil the holiday.

    Both me and my wife enjoy being in our van as it is a very nice place to be.

    All the problems were rectified under warranty but due to a National Express coach rear ending me and putting me in hospital, then falling downstairs and tearing my cartlidge We have not used it very much in the past 4 months.

    We do plan on a few short UK breaks prior to taking it down to Switzerland and Italy in August for 3 weeks.

    Would we buy another Swift caravan?

    More than likely, depending on layout of the van.

     

  • b20pjg
    b20pjg Forum Participant Posts: 13
    edited April 2017 #40

    The downside of buying secondhand is that whilst the first owner gets the full ten year body shell warranty, the second owner only gets the unexpired portion of the standard body shell warranty which is six years.  

    Consequently a second owner buying a two year old caravan would get fours years warranty, whereas the same caravan with the original owner would have eight years.

     

  • ROMULUS1
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    edited November 2017 #41

    Having bought a Swift Escape motor home in the last 12 months I would find it very hard to recommend their product to anyone.  Their build quality is poor and have had many faults both major and minor with it.  The product support is also poor.  For example they cannot tell you what wheel size is fitted when you want to buy a spare wheel (which does not come as standard fit by the way).

  • Haydn Emmett
    Haydn Emmett Forum Participant Posts: 21
    edited November 2017 #42

    Bought our first caravan this year Sterling continental 480, and have traded it in for a Lunar delta to many problems to mention with sterling wouldn't have another caravan made by swift ever.

  • ValDa
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    edited November 2017 #43

    And yet we have an (about to be) eighteen year old Swift, which is still damp-free, everything still works (fridge, hob, water, heating,blown air and heater, Hekis) and we have no dropped off doors, or cracks, or external problems.  We have had a damaged shower tray (our fault), a tap damaged by icing up (our fault), and had to have a replacement vanity basin (our fault when I spilled tea-tree oil on it, and then compounded the damage with dark green eye shadow dust leaving indelible green streaks on the basin).  All these have now been sorted, and we expect to be using the caravan again in 2018 with no problems.

  • lornalou1
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    edited November 2017 #44

    don't you think Val that anything made 20+ years ago tended to last a lot longer as was made to last. people say we live in a throw away world now and " its not worth fixing" attitude.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2017 #45

    You are right, LL. As time has gone on so build quality and durability have decreased. I have a theory that 2006 marked a turning point and things went downhill rapidly from then on. It’s not in the manufacturers' interests for vans to last too long so built in obsolescence is the order of the day.

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  • Kennine
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    edited November 2017 #47

    Most of our caravans and motorhome have all been Swift and have had a few niggles with them all.--- Nothing as bad as some of our caravanning friends who have gone down the Bailey route have experienced though. The best van we ever had was an Avondale - Great van, no leaks towed like a dream spare wheel housed and accessed under the floor. 

    K

  • jennyc
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    edited November 2017 #48

    There are frequent queries, claims and discussions on leisure vehicle quality on CT. But to achieve a properly objective view, the sample size needs to be much larger than a few personal experiences. While the CC’s most recent survey falls lamentably short of ideal https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/media-centre/press-releases/results-of-the-uks-largest-leisure-vehicle-survey/

    it does at least represent a sizeable sample of experiences. Reading previous surveys dismisses the idea that faults are a new phenomena, and reveals small margins in quality differences between makes. I think that we all have rising expectations for the quality of all of our purchases whatever they may be, and by and large these are met. However, comparing basic commodities such as a Morris Minor, or an early CI caravan with today’s hi tech purchases isn’t really sensible because pretty well everything today is so much more sophisticated. Our own caravanning was launched in a 2071 Fleetwood Colchester which leaked like a seive, broke gas mantles on every trip and created large amounts of condensation under mattresses overnight. In truth “you’ve never had it so good” (on average).

  • catherinef
    catherinef Forum Participant Posts: 647
    edited November 2017 #49

    We bought a Sterling Elite 560 in2016.  We took delivery in March and part exchanged it in the following January after 43 faults.  It recorded fault 44 when we parked it next to our new Lunar to transfer everything and the locking mechanism for the Gas locker door fell apart.

  • harrib0
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    edited November 2017 #50

    My Sterling Eccles 565 was bought new in April this year. Apart from a few niggling little issues that will be fixed at its first service, can't really fault it.

    From what I've read on the web, you get good and bad 'vans from all manufacturer. I was one of the lucky ones I guess?

     

     

  • Tigi
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    edited November 2017 #51

    Sorry to disagree with the "it was better years ago"  I`ve been reading forums and magazines on caravans/motoromes for over twenty years and nothing has changed to any great extent. The worst caravan we ever owned was our first just over twenty years ago within two months the front panel was covered in cracks and had to be replaced then the new did exactly the same, a motorhome suffered a similar fate some fourteen years ago. The number of complaints has increased simply because of forums such as this, its interesting to note that the customers keep increasing in numbers so to some extent we are all our own worst enemy!

  • Oscarmax
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    edited December 2017 #52

    In 2002 we brought a 6 month old Swift 480SE, 1 minor problem in 7 years, In 2016 brought a new Swift Conquer 480 with the HT body shell, again only 1 minor problem fixed under warranty.

    Our dealers are Salop Leisure Shrewsbury excellent dealer PDI excellent of which we were supplied with a video. The salesman George Harris carefully went through the process, none of the usually high pressure, checking we are happy.

    Salop provide site facilities to enable you to get use to your caravan , there is an engineer on site in case of problem. George Harris even popped up I his own time to see how we were getting on.

    Salop also insist on returning the caravan within the first 30 days for re-inspection, advising to give the caravan some hard use, it only on use do problem really show up.

    Would we recommend and buy another Swift yes, would we recommend using a good dealer yes.

  • Billyc
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    edited December 2017 #53

    The build quality of cars has improved over the years because of the way they are built, on a line and by machines and robotic assembly.

    MHs and caravans are still, in the main, hand built by a mix of craftsmen and labourers.     I have talked to many dealers about all makes and they reckon they are all the same.

    I am convinced that the most important thing in buying either is to ensure you have an excellent dealer who has an excellent workshop.

    I bought a Sterling (Swift) Moonstone in year 2000 and had it 13 years and not on problem.   The next van was a Sterling Eccles in 2013 and in the first 15 months had around 12 issues.    All fixed very quickly and properly by my dealer.     I traded that van in for my current MH, a Swift. Collected MH on 2 March 2016 and returned it one week later with a leek in the roof area.    I believe that was a freak issue; it took over 2 weeks to find this pin-hole which was about 7m from where the water was coming in the inside of the van.   But the dealer did find it and fixed it.    22 months and 13,500 miles later and no other problems.   Quite happy with the MH and the move to the dark side!   

    BillC

  • Chrystal
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    edited December 2017 #54

    Poor quality and faults should not be tolerated.

    Motorhomes are the same. Suppliers think if they ignore the problems they will go away.

    THEY WILL NOT!. We have bought our LAST  because of problems.

  • flatcoat
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    edited December 2017 #55

    We bought a new Swift van last year following good experience with 2 used Swift vans. The new van hasn’t been perfect with some faults that simply should not have passed QC and should not have been allowed out of the factory. insufficient sealant around the shower which lead to water pouring through the bathroom instead of down the plug hole, (other buyers have experienced same problem too) being the most concerning. It does make me cautious about our next van purchase, whenever that happens. My brother bought an Elddiss van at the same time which has been totally fault free. 

  • NFC
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    edited February 2018 #56

    We are thinking of jumping ship the other way. Bought a brand new Lunar Cosmos in April 2017. What a disaster, thinking about a Swift Eccles. Wondering if I should really be returning to hotel holidays. So sad that the caravan industry lets itself down with such poor build quality. All we want is a relaxing hobby, but a large proportion of us buy into a whole load of life shortening hassle and worry. Why do we do it?

  • indoors
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    edited February 2018 #57

    I advised some years ago now, when being told by a dealer friend of mine, manufacturers do not bother about such things as QC so much because they pay the dealers to PDI and put right any niggly faults found. This more than often is not done, the PDI on most new 'vans is done by the user on his/her first couple of outings with ( their hard earned ) new caravan. Some faults will be put right on site using screwdriver and pliers, others maybe major will be " Oh pop it back Mr Joe Soap we'll take a look at it ( when we have time! ) and if it's beyond us it could have to back to the manufacturer ".

    People do not spend many thousands of pounds to be dealt this way.

    Happy caravanning.

  • Kennine
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    edited February 2018 #58

    It seems that now Swift is earning the same type of reputation for poor build quality as Bailey. It's a shame, instead of a race to improve build quality there seems to be a race to the bottom.  Yes those caravans have all the bling, bells and whistles anybody could possible want, but that is no substitute for good honest build quality as seen in the better continental vans.  

  • pcw66
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    edited July 2018 #59

    We picked up our brand new Swift Vouge 580 Sb from a dealer in Swindon,after being showed how everything worked we towed it home. Our first week away in it we started to discover problems,blind over bed would not close,bathroom door would jam shut,the top fridge grill on the outside fell off,the door would`nt shut properly,the lights flashed when the taps were turned off,some of the cub board doors were loose and not lined up,trim around the table unstuck and worse of all (after a couple of days of using the caravan) water running over the floor by the cooker that turned out to be the waste pipe from the sink was not connected properly and was told by the dealer that the pipe was to short. and the carpets were ruined.

    We returned the caravan to the dealer to be fixed and after 2 weeks we went to pick it up and i was not happy with the work that they had done. Under the sink in the cupboard the simply cut the lino out with a Stanley knife to dry the floor and put the bit of lino back and ran some sealant around the outside. The dealer said that that was all they could do. When i got the caravan home i checked under the cupboard   in the bedroom with my damp meter and i got a very high reading of damp so i took the caravan back to the dealer again and was told that because my damp meter was not -industry standard the would`nt accept    my readings so they checked it with there damp meter and got a reading of 17%,i then asked the dealer to use the prongs on the damp meter as i had done with mine but he said Swift would not accept reading with prongs pressed into the floor because the lino gave a false reading so i pressed the prongs from the dealers damp meter into the floor and got a reading of 29% and the dealer sill said it was within limits. This is still on going and Swift have not committed yet and i have told Swift and the dealer that i want a replacement caravan or a refund because i did`nt buy a brand new caravan so i could have damp in the floor. I would be interested to hear from other people if they have had the same problems and were do i go from here.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2018 #60

    Formally reject the caravan remembering that your contract of sale is with the dealer and not with Swift themselves. 

    I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve posted this link on here which in itself is a sad reflection on the products of the caravan industry.

    https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-to-reject-a-faulty-product-and-get-your-money-back

     

     

  • richardandros
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    edited July 2018 #61

    Towards the end of 2014, I had my heart set on a new Swift Elegance 630 - their top of the range van at £28k or thereabouts, a significant outlay.  Perhaps my expectations were too high, but when the dealer rang me to say that they had just collected one from the factory, I couldn't wait to go and see it in the flesh.

    So, there I am inside this new flagship model.  I open one of the front drawers - and the front drops off.  Go to the kitchen window blind and it jams.  Tried to open the sliding wardrobe door - it wouldn't because it was catching on a screw head sticking up in the bottom track.  To make matters worse, exactly the same problems occurred with the equivalent Sterling model which was also on display.  Can you imagine going into a car dealership and finding similar faults on a car costing that amount?

    Yes - all these issues could have been sorted by the dealer and were trivial, but what sort of a company allows their newly launched, top of the range product, to leave the factory in this state?

    Needless to say, Swift did not get my business and despite all the 'Bailey bashing' on here, we bought a Barcelona.  I won't say that we haven't had a few minor warranty issues, but after three and a half years nothing has dropped off or broken and it certainly left the factory in a far better state than the Swift product did.

    Whatever you buy in the caravan world is a lottery and it shouldn't be that way - not at the prices currently demanded.