Pitch Prices 2018

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2017 #32

    It is somewhat. It has cost me £1200 for 48 nights away in the UK this year. (unable to travel abroad for health reasons) This works out at around £25 a night. Not sure if anyone would disagree with this figure but I reckon it costs me an extra £500 (crossing, insurance, tolls) to get to Europe which I have not spent this year. If I were to remove the £500 from what I spent in the UK the nightly cost would be nearer £14 a night. So trying to compare is not really a level playing field. Also if you venture further afield to the likes of Germany and Italy sites costs, even with ACSI,by the time you have added the extras  are in some cases much higher than in France. What one has to remember about France is that without the discount schemes and their low prices the majority of French sites would be empty outside of July and August as there is not the demand. Even out of the main season Club sites in particular run at fairly full levels so the demand is there so its very much a supply and demand situation.

    David

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #33

    Our observation over the last few years has been that outside of school holidays and weekends, many Club sites are poorly occupied, yet they are not doing much to attract more business.

    This September, in Devon and Cornwall, this was particularly evident.

     

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  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #35

    Our ferry and RP was only £349  for a stay of 62  nights this year.

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #36

    David is deducting a notional cost for the ferry and RP from his UK site fees as he saved that amount by not going abroad.

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2017 #38

    But that is why I didn't include fuel and spending in my ballpark figures because I would be spending that money whether I was in the UK or abroad. In the UK we tend not to travel such long distances so despite the cheaper fuel abroad it works out even stevens. To get to Europe I need to pay for a crossing and I need insurance. I accept that some tolls are discretional but we often prefer to pay those if it makes getting from A to B easier. 

    David

  • cyberyacht
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    edited November 2017 #39

    As a fellow "anorak", I keep a tally of "door to door" holiday costs. The last package holiday cost £100 per day although that was twelve years ago, so you could probably double that today. Of more recent times, we have been taking cruises which work out at about £250-300 per day. Caravanning trips are not as meticulously calculated but, as we mostly use CLs, pitch fees average around £14 per day. Adding 'entertainment', fuel and food costs would bring that figure to somewhere in the region of £45 per day, so not a million miles away from AD's figure for a foreign trip. Of course, any of these calculations are dependant on the variability of consumption - how far do you drive, how much booze you consume, how often you you BBQ sirloin steak, attraction ticket costs etc.

  • young thomas
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    edited November 2017 #40

    of course its valid (depending on where you live) to compare prices abroad....

    compare a scottish trip to (say) La Rochelle....

    from the south, where we live, a trip to north of Scotland (for perhaps the NC 500) would take us 12 hrs and 674 miles

    to La Rochelle the time is 9 hrs and the distance 438 miles.

    at around 26-28 mpg thats a saving of £50 or so on fuel alone.

    throw in a cheap dover-calais ferry (£60) and the costs are pretty much the same.

    from then on, its all gravy....cheaper sites, food, fuel.

    yes, if you live north of Manchester, then the figures might just be a tiny bit harder to justify, but throw in the different weather and France becomes a bargain.....IMHO, of course....

    from Buckinghamshire, i wpuld have thought that DK would find costs very similar to a scottish trip.

    go less distance north and still a caparison to (say) Brittany stands up.

    for us, taking a trip to Scotland (we would love to go again) requires as hefty a financial commitment as touring France....so far, including the differences in weather, we havent been able to commit...four or five weeks of crap weather would be 'my fault'.....undecided 

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2017 #42

    Certainly down to the Loire off season, I would agree BB. Our trip, including RP, probably worked out a similar cost to the far north of Scotland. 

    However, it didn't actually as we choose to go BF to St Malo both ways, with nice cabins and meals. However, as you said cheap crossings are available. That bit is just down to choice.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #43

    of course its valid (depending on where you live) to compare prices abroad....

    compare a scottish trip to (say) La Rochelle....

    Not really valid to a comparison of CC sites in the UK with other UK sites.

    Agree that if considering 'holiday options and alternatives' then it would be. 

  • young thomas
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    edited November 2017 #44

    Alan, an earlier post suggested that comparing (say) a french vanning break to a UK one 'wasnt valid' for cost reasons......i merely pointed out that its perfectly valid to do so.

    what i didnt do in my post (bearing in mind the title of the thread) was to comment on the CC pitch prices....it wasnt necessary to make my point.

    however, as youve asked me....i think they were 'at the top end' of the price scale and have cemented that position with this latest round of increases...

    some say that they are 'clean' and this seems to be their primary 'feature' for those who insist on using them.

    pretty much all providers can manage clean toilets these days..its the customers who make them dirty....does a rigid cleaning timetable do anything for this.....no, not really...

    location, value, might come before this as a reason to stay somewhere, it does for us...

    quotes of £35-£40 a night wont have us running in their direction.

    many posts have hinted that customers will be using CC sites less and less, and price is obviously a factor...

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #45

    however, as youve asked me....

    I didn't think that I had BB laughing

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2017 #46

    Well said,and agree completlycool

  • young thomas
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    edited November 2017 #47

    "Not really valid to a comparison of CC sites in the UK with other UK sites."

    ....ok, just 'hinting' that i respond to the OP?wink

    ...so i did...smile

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2017 #48

    The OP talks of prices not being much under £30 in May, June, July, August and some September. When I glance I see prices in many locations of £24 to £28 with a few hitting £30. No doubt that there are a few popular sites exceeding this. This is however pretty much similar to most main operators in UK and such prices are not unique to CC by ant means. Whenever I compare a site used with a commercial site close by I find little difference in cost during main season. I have never compared from November until end of March as that is not when I tour but there are probably some good deals with other providers to be had particularly during that period.

  • MichaelT
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    edited November 2017 #49

    I am not sure how htis got on to the usual here v there but for comparison we were charged €45 on a site in France in July without EHU which was €6 extra. 

    Just looked at Beausejour for early/midJuly next year and €55 for 2 people, Les Rivages in Millau €37 both for July, smallish pitches if you want the large pitch or river add €15 per day.

    Compare to Hillhead in July 2018 same dates £25.80.

    I am sure everyone will now be on here with prices for sites all over France at half the price but I just took 2 what I think are popular sites to compare.  But take into account Ferry even Dover Calais is circa £140 return, even minimal tolls, extra insurance cost (RP) and it all adds up.  Yes for some touring for 3 months the daily cost subsides but for a 2 or 3 week break they do not.

    Back on track everything goes up and yes wages are not keeping up with inflation but taking into account the majority of people who post on here are already getting their pension which does rise with inflation what are you all moaning about?

  • moulesy
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    edited November 2017 #50

    Club sites weren't alone in being poorly occupied in Cornwall in September, though, K.

    The site where we have our static van was virtually empty after the school holidays, as we're others in the area. A couple even closed early instead of staying open until October half term.

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #51

    Has the SW fallen out of favour as a holiday destination these days?

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2017 #52

    The Club's best deals also happen between  Nov-March ET. Some of the sites with MWD compare favourably with CLs, and of course sometimes you get a lot more facilities. They are good for solo travellers as well, as it is pitch fee + 1 adult, rather than the often fixed price of a CL. If you want/need to keep an eye on nightly costs, being flexible in terms of mixing type of sites reaps good rewards. But it isn't a priority for everyone of course.

  • moulesy
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    edited November 2017 #53

    It doesn't matter where you go, home or away; you will always find some sites less expensive than club sites and some sites more expensive. Caravanning is not a cheap option any more (if it ever has been). So as HD says above, if you want to enjoy life get on and do it A couple of quid a night here or there is no great consideration is it? Folk who like club sites will continue to use them - those who don't will continue to look for alternatives.  smile

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2017 #54

    Agree M, and also agree fully with HD. This year has taught us you never know what is around the corner, so we are very much "seize the moment" nowadays. 

  • moulesy
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    edited November 2017 #55

    I think it's more a case of the proliferation of alternatives,  including cheap flights to warmer climes, K. Even for us, not towing, it's a 3 hour drive from Wiltshire to Cornwall. From further a field,  and towing,  it must be very tempting to look at other options. So, yes, the SW seems of be struggling out of peak season.

  • KjellNN
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    edited November 2017 #56

    If only my pension was keeping up with inflation!

    The basic State pension has increased well, but the same cannot be said for the graduated/SERPS/whatever bit, or many employers pensions.

    With the latter, only that earned since sometime in the 1990s has to be linked to inflation in some way, the rest is at the employer scheme's discretion.

    As a result, since retirement 10 years back, my overall pension income has only gone up by around 1% per annum, add in miserable rates on savings over the same period and the picture is not good.

    Comparing July/August prices is irrelevant as far as we are concerned as we do not go away then.  There are more price bands these days on a lot of the CAMC sites,  often making  September only very slightly less expensive than August for example.

     

  • MichaelT
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    edited November 2017 #57

    I understood the triple lock kept it up with inflation, obviously employer or private pensions are all different.  My wages have decreased about 30% since the recession so you are doing well....

    I did July as its mid summer when we go and out of season is irrelevant to us so it shows as M says you have to pick and choose to suit your self and what you want from a site.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2017 #58

    The SW, and Cornwall in particular, has always had a very short peak season of 6 weeks or so in July/August. Outside of that peak, things are much quieter. 

    Judging by the number of LVs on the roads, I would say there’s little change and September actually saw a huge influx of, mainly, MHs. What is noticeable is the increase of freeloaders wild camping in lay-bys and cliff top car parks. That has to be to the detriment of official sites. 

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  • brue
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    edited November 2017 #61

    The one thing for sure is that if people don't question pricing structures and increases those that set them will do so across the board. At least the club has a range of prices but I'd like to see more midweek discounts to encourage better use and better profits, which will then improve or extend the network.