Baltic wharf site future ??

zider
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edited October 2017 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

The old (red trousers) mayor of Bristol tried to close our Baltic wharf site, now the new mayor comes up with a " remodeling ,regeneration scheme " for the area around and including  our site etc. 

So if you can book, and want to visit Bristol we have 2 years left on our contract.

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  • DavidKlyne
    DavidKlyne Club Member Posts: 13,868 ✭✭✭
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    edited October 2017 #2

    I suppose we all knew that Baltic Wharf was on borrowed time? It seems the lease is being extended on a hand to mouth basis. Have you any further information like links as to what they plan to do? Be nice if the plans could include a Motorhome Aire along the waterfront, barrier controlled with pay on entry. 

    David

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2017 #3

    Wow, now that's an excellent forward thinking idea, a Motorhome Aire like those we've seen in towns and cities in Denmark and elsewhere in Europe. 

    Why is it we just don't seem to get it or replicate this provision?

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2017 #4

    Just keep the site surprised

    Or Bristol to get their act together and let the club have the old police school as wanted without putting up resistance to the amount of custom the city could lose

  • PITCHTOCLOSE
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    edited October 2017 #5

    Sell the lease and dump it, put the money to a new site out of town.

  • Kennine
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    edited October 2017 #6

    What a great idea David,, Bristol council to operate a M/Home Aire alongside the water. Income for the council. redevelopment of the old CMC site would also bring in much needed income. 

    The CMC could easily set up an out of town site within reach of Bristol. 

    A win win situation for all. 

    cool

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #7

    I drive past the old police horse stables and offices frequently. They are now falling into disrepair and it is an eyesore that could have been transformed by the club! frown

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2017 #8

    It could be put an Aire in the car park of the SS Great Britain it never seems to be used much,and is served by a bus service ,and then the council can do what was on the cards all along, sell the ground that Baltic Wharf and the Boatyard are on for more high priced riverside apartments undecided

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #9

    The SS Gt Britain car park is heavily used, maybe you have seen it early or late. In the summer it is packed with cars.

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2017 #10

    Thats blown it for a motor caravan aire in Bristol then as any other ground is too valuable to be used as we know with Baltic Wharf cc site now,how about where the old warehouse is just across the road from the cc site on the side of the riverwink 

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2017 #11

    Maybe because in many town areas the income from car parking is too great ......... unless M/Hs are prepared to pay £50 or more per night. 

  • Randomcamper
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    edited October 2017 #12

    Sadly I don't think local councils in the UK see it as any part of their duties to provide facilities for what they perceive to be wealthy motorhomers....

    In fact they probably don't even see a difference between "respectable" M/H'ers and "other" users who will leave the place a tip. They will think the private sector is there to cater for us....

    And most of the councillors I have met are not business people and won't see the correlation between an "aire" and the business it might bring, but they will see that selling or leasing prime land in the city centre will fund all sorts of their barmy ideas.......

     

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2017 #13

    They will think the private sector is there to cater for us....

    But of course it is there for that purpose.

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #14

    Perhaps an aire at the park and ride might have helped but all types of van users will really miss this facility in central Bristol. Would like to know what is happening as I don't want to book any more visits just in case the site closes on the three month system already in place. There are vacancies from Jan till March at the moment but we decided our last visit was during the Harbour Festival this summer. Perhaps the club can update us, I have read reviewers who think the same regarding a last visit.

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2017 #15

    I would suspect that if we are able to book all year, when booking opens in December, with of course the 3 month caveat, that is probably as much as the club know, or are able to divulge.

  • Kennine
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    edited October 2017 #16

    Reminds us about the story of King Canute wink

    This issue has been going on for too long. It's time to accept that the site at Baltic Wharf is definitely closing. The sensible action by the CMC,  is to find an alternative site near to Bristol, develop it, and then leave the current site at Bristol to be redeveloped by the council.  It's quite straightforward. 

    Kcool

     

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2017 #17

    And just how long do you think it would take for the CC to find a suitable site close to Bristol and then, after all the planning permissions have been gained, develop the site. The Bristol council would probably have built a whole housing estate in the same time. The council want the land soon not in some far distant time.

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2017 #18

    +1 but the council found a "reason?" not to give permission undecided

  • Fisherman
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    edited October 2017 #19

    Blogged to death. The lease will expire- end of, somewhere within 2 years. There will be no Baltic Wharf site. Its up to the club to decide if they want a site in that area, and if so do what they can to secure, either an existing site or a green/brown field and develop. Its no use blaming the council- its what they are there for and a CC site will be very low on their priority. I expect the club has a department for looking at sites, planning etc.and no doubt for commercial reasons will keep their thinking close to their chest.

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #20

    Perhaps you missed previous information on here Fisherman? The Club had an interest in a considerable number of possible replacement sites in the Bristol area, no doubt in conjunction with Bristol Council. When they chose one (the defunct Police horse stables by Ashton Court) the plans were rejected.

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #21

    I would imagine the local residents who supported the planning must be disappointed to see the proposed site looking so run down. 

  • Fisherman
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    edited October 2017 #22

    So accept it for what it is and look elsewhere. The council does not have to justify itself to a few caravaners. They may have a long term use for the site and as we know things happen slowly in council  terms.

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #23

    Shutting down a profitable business is ok then?

  • Fisherman
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    edited October 2017 #24

    Profitable to who? The site value will exceed any rental income by a huge percentage so makes sense to the council. Lets get on with looking for an alternative, Baltic Warf is finished and again I doubt if there will be scope for a site within the city for the same reason as land values.

  • brue
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    edited October 2017 #25

    You perhaps haven't read previous details about the site and the negotiations with Bristol City council etc. Many details were lost when the web site was updated but the site brought in a considerable amount of money to the area apart from being a highly profitable site (always full.) This was the last notice from the club, I'm hoping that negotiations are still ongoing and hope there is a good outcome and another site can be found.

    see here