Irresponsible dog owners
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Just opened up the club internet site and there is a lovely picture of a Yorkshire terrier peaking out of a window, how can anyone object to such a dog is beyond me, the club obviously values the contribution to the club atmosphere on site a dog makes.
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I've read all the posts in this thread and have not found one where people have complained about dogs on site. Irresponsible dog owners are the problem. If a dogs not trained properly at home it certainly ain't gonna know the site rules ! Seems a few responsible dog owners in the club take offence when this subject is brought to for.
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Very intuitive and well presented post Indoors.
As I've always said it's not the dog's fault if their Lazy and Incompetent owners don't train their pets to ensure that they will behave properly on a campsite ( good owners always ensure that they control their dogs at all times ) It's those owners who are allowing their dog or dogs to behave in an antisocial way, who spoil it for everyone. It's not the dogs's fault,, it's always the fault of the anti-social owner.
Those bad owners who allow their dog/s to spoil the campsite or other Caravanners' holiday, should be immediately ejected from the site and their details reported by the warden to head office.- ---No If's or But's.
It's time that positive action be taken on the subject.
K
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The 'responsible dog owners' don't take offence, we just get p***ed off with the continual whinging about percieved problems that are mostly just in the head of the wringer. Hence my 'YAWN' response to one of these dog bashing posts.
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So you don't think it's a problem ! right on.
None so blind as they that will not listen.
Do you read posts before hitting the keyboard, do you digest what other concerned people are quoting, do you condone the fact that there are out there people that don't give toss.
A post on the " other " channel, many others seem to be more than concerned.
" There must be very few people who actually do not like dogs. I am sat on Conkers C&CC site and only yesterday have had three units turn up within 50 yds of us with six dogs between them. All on arrival allowed their dogs to run straight to where ever it wished to do whatever it wished. We'd very much like to give a home to a dog but our lifestyle just would not be fair on the dog. It's the owners of dogs on site that are the problem. As for people complaining of lack of this and lack of that on sites, remember the six P's.
We don't much like noise and bright lights so we don't go to Blackpool and the like ( no disrespect to people who do ) so spend more weekends in the Peaks or Cotswold type parks.
NB: Yet another just pulled in and another dog let straight out of the car whilst owners turn their backs and pretend not to notice the obvious. I'm begining to think we should ban dog owners from sites or indeed as with adult only sites, sites that don't allow dogs. " Friendly Club " I don't find it friendly to be so discourteous to fellow campers as some obviously are.
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+ 1 totally agree with your post 👍
Irresponsible dog owners , yes there are some out there not just on club sites but the majority I see are responsible & respectful of the rules on sites .
Outside of club sites in the real world , there clearly are some idiots of dog walkers have haven't ever owned a pooh bag ......don't tar all dog owners with the same brush.
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Indoors, you must be anxious to keep this thread going, cutting and pasting from another forum. Is it just coincidence that this thread and the C&CC one both started on the same day?
This copy simply repeats what responsible dog owners have already said, it's down to those who don't care about others. I know a minority of owners don't clear up, that's obvious from the few sites we have used that have a dog area. I even trod in some walking to reception whilst at Culloden. We tend to stay on sites with off-site walking. Culloden is one of those but you can't blame the dog if the owner is too lazy to use it. I have recently stayed on one of the other clubs sites which has a disused road as a dog area. I can honestly say that there was no mess left though quite a few dogs on site as well as my two.
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problems that are mostly just in the head of the wringer
Why is it when someone who has an opposing view to others they are accused of wringer or whinging? I haven't seen anyone opposed to the breaking of site rules 'complaining peevishly' on this thread.
Please bear in mind dog owners that for a variety of reasons that not everyone loves your dogs.
The club rules are there to allow the quiet enjoyment of all of the members, so let harmony reign
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I like to see well behaved dogs and their owners. I have had two dogs, neither from a pup although I had known the Alsatian bitch from being a pup as it was my fathers dog and came to live with me at a few years of age due to my fathers health problems. The Labrador dog I had from just under 3 years of age. The Lab was beautifully trained. The Alsatian was not and I had to work with her but she had always been biddable. I never used dog walks with either as I preferred to either walk them off site or take them out in the car if no suitable walks on site.
I have on numerous occasions seen dogs let out of caravans/motorhomes to relieve themselves whilst the owners are apparently not yet dressed for the day. I see owners walking dogs on site with 15 feet of extending lead being used. Owner on one side of a site track and dog on grass area on the other side. I see (particularly at evening in winter) dogs being walked on site to perform and usually picked up after. Had my ankles trapped by the odd lead. Not how would have acted but can't say that I get too excited about it. Perhaps I should?
Occasionally I observe dogs that seem not to be taken off site at all. Of course that is an impression that might be totally wrong. A couple of years ago in late December I was next to an outfit with four or five beautiful Staffies. They seemed to be left in their crates on site and never taken more than 50 yards from pitch despite being at Southport with plenty of off site walks to hand. I felt sad for them.
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I think that sums up how I view things I see on sites EasyT. I've come to the conclusion I'm holidaying with Joe Public. Like it or not I'll see or hear things I don't like but unless I'm adversely affected close up I just get on with the holiday.
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Ive seen the same post , where this as come from , I believe one poster as been reported for their views on c&cc dog owning members.
Talk about irresponsible dog owners , what of irresponsible posters who continually come up with the same old biased anti canine clap trap 😢
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Are all the " responsible " dog owners on this forum really responsible in making remarks as such.
I quoted a post I had put on the other site.
When will you people digest what is written, " no one " again " no one " has complained about dogs on site.! So why you responsible owners are up in arms ghad only knows.
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Page one, post four. Anyone who is using language such as "braindeads" about any section of a community is not offering a lucid, well reasoned approach to debating a subject.
I am quite prepared to discuss the reasons why I enjoy touring with dogs, I am quite prepared to agree at how annoyed I am when I see a tiny minority of dog owners whose behaviour and thoughtlessness may momentarily spoil either my holiday or that of other decent folks on site. I am also prepared to offer my personal thoughts around the Club not being hard enough on those dog owners who are caught being dirty or selfish.
But asking me to justify why I have chosen a lifestyle that includes a dog, to be called to task about why I need more than one dog in my life, is starting to feel like a form of discrimination. Gone mostly are the days thank goodness when decent human beings were bullied about the colour of their skin, who they chose as a life partner, which form of worship they preferred, but it appears that the new kicking posts are dog owners. And it hurts, it feels like bullying, it does in some responses sound like bullying. I have full respect for those who don't want a dog as part of their lives, you shouldn't be inconvenienced or put out or in any way by those of us who do.
All sections of a community have a small minority who let their peer group down. Some drink to excess, some don't give their children a decent upbringing, some take drugs, some don't drive safely. Respect in all walks of life has been diluted. But using terms such as braindeads doesn't help.
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So why you responsible owners are up in arms ghad only knows.
Do you expect the irresponsible owners to come on here and defend their actions?
So rather than you anti-doggers getting bored , being ignored and talking amongst yourselfs, it allows healthy debate.
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I have been trying to keep out of this one as it's the same old thing again But what the hell.......
Can I ask those that bring it up what they consider is "dogs messing on site". I'm not talking about the obvious, that's not acceptable but there will be the odd occasion that it will happen and if so and cleaned up immediately I see nothing wrong in that.
In my case, I do not allow my dogs to foul my pitch or enter another persons unless invited. I will, whenever possible walk my dogs off site. if there is a dog walk I may use it but nearly all I have come across are too small for anything other than somewhere to poo.
I do walk my dogs on site roads on standard 1.5m leads, they do wee up hedges/trees etc along those roads but not near any facilities or anyone's pitch or anywhere, where people or children may venture. Personally I see nothing wrong in doing this. If an accident happens I always have bags with me and clean it up.
My dogs may bark on the odd occasion (we're talking a few seconds) but are told to be quite immediately, not only because of other people but it annoys me as well. Dogs do bark with excitement though, just like children get louder, that's how it is.
Someone said they don't understand why some people have more than one dog? Because we can and enjoy it. In my case it also saved an 11 week old puppy from becoming another bait dog. If that makes me bad person (having two dogs) then so be it.
I have said this and so have others, there are no bad dogs, just bad owners. Something I have picked up on, on here is some people see them as an object or the likes. they are not, but when someone owns a dog and has that attitude, this is when I feel the irresponsible owner starts to show through.
Please don't judge me or others or stereotype us based on what you may see out and about. the bad ones in my experience are few and far between and don't give a monkey's about it or read this forum.
I have just returned from a 5 night stay on a visit to a club owned site, the 7th site I have visited this year. There were many dog's on site but did not outnumber the people, there was no continuations barking or yapping, I did not see any dog poo anywhere, even in the walking area. Like I keep saying I personally have yet to witness this issue.
Finally if a post or post from a couple of individuals on here have a go at dog owners, for whatever reason, and appear to suggest all are the same I will reply to that and possibly upset you.
I have two dogs and consider myself to be a very responsible owner, if you don't think so then tough, live with it.
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Have you ever stopped to think that they go out last thing at night because they need to go? It doesn't mean they are out in the dark to not be seen breaking the rules.
It's post like yours IMO that start arguments between the two groups.
Just saying
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I'm not going to defend myself because I don't need to but I will explain a couple of things that non owners don't seem to understand. I don't walk my dog off site because he is 13 yrs old and can't walk far hence he doesn't come out with us all day as he is too busy sleeping. I walk him in the dark as most dogs have a walk before their owner goes to bed and guess what... it's dark!!!
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I've deliberately stayed out of this thread up to now - the subject is contentious and nearly always ends up in fairly irrational comments (on either side of the discussion!)
But to me, this post (and I realise you're quoting form elsewhere, indoors) is typical of why that happens.
So, we're supposed to believe that 3 units turn up, pretty much at the same time and all within sight of the poster - coincidentally, all 3 units have dogs, and again coincidentally, all 3 units let their dogs out uncontrolled to do whatever! But wait - there's more - a fourth unit now turns up, again in the same area, again with a dog, again the owners just let it out uncontrolled.
Well - frankly - no! It didn't happen did it? And anyone who believes it did is living in cloud cuckoo land (IMHO of course!)
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Maybe, as dog owners we should ignore all these negative discussions about dogs and owners and not answer any posts. End of.!!
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Not getting at you Lady. I do not consider it appropriate to intentionally toilet a dog on site. However can fully understand your reasons and maybe the more so as you may not have convenient transport. I have no intention to upset you however. No doubt many would deem such practice OK as long as the dogs are picked up after. We all have differing views on such things.
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"I quoted a post I had put on the other site."
So you found it necessary to post on both forums, Indoors.
Two places to have a rant - I hope that made you happy.
Incidentally, calling posters "you people" and some of the other terms you've used is in breach of forum guidelines. Perhaps you should read and digest them.
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