Peugeot 2.2 Engine
Having just taken delivery of the MH, which only has 4500 miles on the clock, I am a bit disappointed by the apparent lack of smoothness in the engine. My previous tow car, a 2.0i TDI Kuga always seems quite smooth and I was barely aware that it was a diesel. The MH, when starting up has all the sophistication of a London Taxi and when accelerating does sound quite gruff. Bit of a bag of nails. I was rather expecting something a bit more sophisticated as this is a Euro 6 engine compared with the Kuga's Euro 4 one.
Are there any Peugeot engined M/homers with the Euro 6 engine out available to comment?
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Hi CY why not see if you can the engine re-chipped, you may be surprised at the difference. I informed my insurance company that I had my CR V done and it cost me less than £25 additional premium. The chip for the Honda was quite expensive but the advantage are clear to see, nearly 30 BHP more and 50 miles + to a tank fuel.
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in the past, most MH reviewers have also described the Peugeot 2.2 as a bag of nails, not comparing well with the Fiat 2.3, for noise or smoothness...
apparently, the latest Euro 6 2.0 versions (with increased power) are much better.
are you sure yours is Euro 6, CY?
I thought the 2.2 only went to Euro 5+ and to get to Euro 6 they downsized, but upped the electrickery?
i may be totally wrong, but thats my recollection.
EDIT: from the autosleepers site..
All You Need To Know About Peugeot Euro 6 Engines! ... Auto-Sleepers 2017 Peugeot range now features Peugeot’s next generation BlueHDi 2.0 litre engines. BlueHDi is the name given to Peugeot’s latest generation of fuel and environmentally efficient Diesel engines.
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Cyber i understand the Pug 2.2 engine is actually a Ford engine that is used in numerous makes ,we had it in our Autocruise motor caravan and it got much better as it losened up yours is hardly :"run in" for an engine that is designed for a hard life high milage with "white van man" at the wheel,if you want a quieter cab you could always get as we did , a sound deadening kit, it was quite noticable
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I'd tend not to compare car diesels with MH's. For example the Ducato based ones are effectively Iveco commercial engines, not large Fiat car engines, so they've come from a different direction requirement-wise. Probably a better one IMO. As said the Pug 2.2 is I believe a Ford Transit / Land Rover Defender engine so has not been designed with car characteristics, but is probably much better at moving a 3 or 4te vehicle around.
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I don't think Euro emissions number has a bearing on noise, more likely because you are nearly sitting on the engine and good sound proofing would go a long way to hide it.
It's probably a relative to my Freelander 2.2 diesel, that is noisy from outside but in the cabin its quite muted.
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Dave, i wasnt suggesting it was...merely that CY assumed his engine was the latest Euro 6 version....i'm pretty sure it isnt.
Peugeot had to come down in size (to 2.0) to acheive the euro 6 std, whereas Fiat retained their (far quieter) 2.3.
the 2.2 is a completely different beast that managed 5+ at a struggle but is a noisy old thing.....
sound deadening might help....our van is extremely quiet when cruising at 110kph, but i suspect (due to the difference in construction) there is far more effort made at cab comfort than on a std 'white man van' cab.
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CY I am not sure if the engine you have is a (Ford derived) 2.2 litre engine or a PAS 2 litre engine. The "Ford" (Puma) engine is actually Euro 5 whereas the PAS 2 litre is Euro 6. Peugeot Societe Anonyme alias Peugeot/Citroen one have one engine displacement in their van range tweaked to produce 110 130 or 150bhp. One easy way to check is Does your van use Adblue ? Tthe filler is a small blue cap adjacent to the fuel filler). If it has a blue cap it is a 2 litre PAS engine, the same engine as my new 2017 van. If it doesn't and it is a Peugeot it will be the Euro 5 engine. Coincidentally I did a comment on another forum regarding the two engines as follows :-
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I took delivery of a Euro 6 PSA Engined Citroen Relay in March and have now covered 3500 miles in it. A very short distance in commercial vehicle terms (our big European trip this year was postponed) but enough to form some impression of the differences between the old "Ford" engine and the new PSA engine.
The clutch is definitely lighter and the mileage is slightly better perhaps 2-3 mpg better but this figure will no doubt improve further as the engine loosens up. On paper the engine has more torque than its Ford predecessor but for now it feels like it has less "grunt" and it seems to need more down changes. The gearbox doesn't like the change for fifth to sixth to be snatched. You need to be smooth or it doesn't engage. Again these may well change when the engine/gearbox loosens up. I don't see much difference in engine noise levels but the engine is certainly smooth at higher revs. I haven't really worked the van much at the top end (in Germany the old van would cruise all day long at well over 80). The Adblue use and filling over these initial miles has been unproblematic and in line with expectations (although it is not easy to work out exactly how much adblue is used).
The physical dimensions of the engine are smaller and I think it is lighter (offset by the Adblue tank and its ancillaries). Overall I am optimistic that this will be a good engine but for now it doesn't FEEL as robust as the Puma. "As remarked above I can't say I have noticed a big difference in engine noise levels. Its a commercial vehicle and you can't expect/won't get car like levels of sophistication because the vehicle is designed as a workhorse not a motorway sprinter. Hope the above comments are of interest.
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Hi cyberyacht, I have the Peugeot euro 6, 2.0. I have just covered 2000 miles so far and have been well pleased with the performance. On start up I am aware of a slight tapping noise but it quietens down once on the move. I'm getting 30-31.6 mpg on all kinds of roads.
As mentioned I have the ad blue filler cap next to the diesel cap.
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My mistake. Upon checking back, it is the Euro 5+ engine uprated to 150BHP. From the comments received it seems a sound insulation kit or perhaps just a set of earplugs is the answer.
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I have the same engine in our motorhome CY, 2 years old with 4,500 miles. I agree with you, sounds like a bag of spanners when first started and not smooth at first. However, it does get better once it's warmed up on a long run, and I don't think it's just me getting used to it 😊 I'm sure it'll just keep getting better as it gets more miles on. My last van seemed much better once I'd past the 10k mark, again bought from new. I intend keeping this one until I scrap it, we've had enough of changing after I've nicely run the van in for someone else.
As others have said, these aren't cars, they're work vans with a few bits of fancy plastic stuck on the dash and a box added to the back.
I also find our version almost too powerful sometimes for the van. You've got to watch yourself when you're running around when empty in the back 😊😊
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Given my limited mileage to date, I can't say I've found the performance in the Bugatti Veyron range either.
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Ok, wrong choice of word, not too powerful, more 'unstable'. My other Motorhomes have always felt solid on the road whereas this one sometimes feels almost flimsy. If you accelerate hard in 2nd or 3rd it just doesn't feel like my others did. This van also gets caught in the ruts on the motorway more and seems to be affected by the wind and yet the size is similar to my others.
I must admit though, once it's loaded up for a holiday it does seem better in general. It's not something I'm worried about or unduly concerns me, just an observation. I wonder if it has something to do with the longer overhang from the back wheels? This current van overhangs another 18ins from the back wheels than what I was used to. Maybe?
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I think it may be unrealistic to expect Bugatti Veyron performance because the bugatti has a power to weight ratio approximately 10 times more powerful than your motorhome. Oh and the Bugatti is a tad more aerodynamic as well !
As Hallsontour says the noise levels will get better as the engine beds in and with 150bhp you have a relatively powerful and comparatively light M/H. It does take a bit of time to warm up as well.
In 2013 I needed to return urgently from eastern Hungary to Northern Scotland (1850 miles) which I did in three days hitting 160kph at one point (but even then not keeping up with the Porsches and didn't see any Bugatti) in the third lane of the autobahn. That was with a well run in 130bhp version of the engine you have. Persevere !!
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Yes, it clatters away quite alarmingly. Really bad when cold but better when hot. Only really notice it when accelerating hard and after 5000 miles I have kind of got used to it.
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