V5 Vehicle Catagory N1

k9sam
k9sam Forum Participant Posts: 76
edited August 2017 in Towcars & Towing #1

I am considering buying a large 4X4 to tow my caravan. One option (among many) I am looking at is a Land Rover Defender. 

I am also aware that most caravan warranties state that the caravan 'should not be towed by commercial vehicles'. Presumably to do with the stiffer suspension.

My question is: Does the category 'N1' on a V5 categorise the vehicle as 'commercial'?

As a side I have discovered that 'ALL' Land Rover Defenders (whatever model) built since MY2011 have the 'N1' category.  This apparently was nothing to do with load carrying and/or stiffer suspension but for tax reasons. This surely precludes them from towing caravans without invalidating the caravan warranty.

Has anyone any experience and advice on this matter?

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  • Milothedog
    Milothedog Forum Participant Posts: 1,433
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    edited August 2017 #2

    Looks to be the case. Lifted from Here smile

    Category N: Motor vehicles with at least four wheels designed and constructed for the carriage of goods.

    Category N1: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass not exceeding 3,5 tonnes.
    Category N2: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass exceeding 3,5 tonnes but not exceeding 12 tonnes.
    Category N3: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass exceeding 12 tonnes.

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited August 2017 #3

    Has anyone any experience and advice on this matter?
     
     The caravan manufacturer? 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2017 #4

    Anyone ever seen brand new caravans being transported from factory to dealer? One of two will be carried by the transporter which also tows another behind.

    Therefore, there's a fair chance your nice new caravan has already been towed by a commercial vehicle.

  • JVB66
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    edited August 2017 #5

    In days gone by when land rovers had stiff cart springs it was not recommended to tow caravans,but a sprung hitch overcame that, but when the defender was born it had coil spring suspenstion similar to the discovery 

  • k9sam
    k9sam Forum Participant Posts: 76
    edited August 2017 #6

    Sent them an email last Friday............ just waiting a response.

    Not holding my breath for a response, let alone a helpful one!! I will post any response that I get.

  • DORMAN12Q
    DORMAN12Q Forum Participant Posts: 90
    edited August 2017 #7

    I tow a twin axle with a double cab hilux, I have had to fit an adjustable dropper plate for the tow hitch , but other than that have had no problems,  even the local caravan dealer uses an old double cab navara. Both of the above are on leaf springs, Defenders are on coil springs so should be a good ride, 

    If towing with a commercial  invalidates the warranty ? what do you do when you have to be recovered following a breakdown  and the recovery firm sends a truck to recover you ? 

    You would have to leave your caravan where it was whilst it can be recovered by a non commercial  vehicle or invalidate your warranty. 

    You could always fit a Dixonbathe shocklink if you are that worried .

    Ford transit pickups look to tow those hobby caravans with ease and they have leaf springs.

     

     

  • Les Ure
    Les Ure Forum Participant Posts: 3
    edited August 2017 #8

    Last summer I bought a campervan converted from a 2.8 tonne van first registered in November 2015. It is no different from a California (except as regards price and I admit, quality of finish).  I picked out the low mileage van I wanted from the converter's yard and 2 months later drove off in it fully converted with bed, fridge, pop-up roof with 2 additional bed spaces, 2 burner hob, sink and heater. We live in it while away.

    The van is Bluemotion EU5 spec and in terms of power output little different from my wife's EU5 diesel car except that the van has stop/staart technology and hasn't been fitted with 'defeat software'!!

    CO2 is 176G/KM

    Body Type is MOTOR CARAVAAN

    Taxation Class in  LIGHT GOODS VEHICLE

    Tax is £240pa

    My wife's car tax is £20pa.  

    Can anyone tell me whyI pay 12 times more in road tax for the van than my wife pays for her car manufactured by the same manufacturer? Can I apply for a reduction? Advice much appreciated.

  • k9sam
    k9sam Forum Participant Posts: 76
    edited August 2017 #9

    I suppose a one-off tow for a recovery is not going to cause any damage compared to numerous journeys towing with a commercial??

    Also if a recovery company damages your outfit then presumably their insurance pays out!!

    I am not saying that towing with a commercial invalidates a warranty I'm just quoting words from a Lunar warranty (i.e., "should not be towed with a commercial vehicle").  However knowing any organisation these days if they have a way of avoiding paying out under a warranty they will!!

    A Dixon Bate Shocklink is definitely on my shopping list for extra protection. 

     

  • k9sam
    k9sam Forum Participant Posts: 76
    edited August 2017 #10

    You seem to have posted this under the wrong discussion!!

  • Les Ure
    Les Ure Forum Participant Posts: 3
    edited August 2017 #11

    I know but type in 'road tax' and you get 1925 discussions. I searched through the website and this is the closest I could get to anything on vehicle classification.

    There is some relevance in that my vehicle was originally designed for 'the carriage of goods'.  I thought I'd give it a punt as someone might know. 

    No success.

    I've given up and written to DVLA.

    K9sam.

    I suggest that if you haven't been advised to do so already that you

    ring the caravan dealer or manufacturer. Then get their response in writing. They don't need much of an excuse to wriggle out of warranty obligations.

     

  • k9sam
    k9sam Forum Participant Posts: 76
    edited September 2017 #12

    You could have started a new discussion!!!