A Milestone has been Reached!
Good morning everyone. Sunday 23rd of July 2017 will certainly be remembered by me. It was the day that I received news of a massive shift for the caravan and leisure industry and the day I have waited and hoped for.
Many of you will recall the discussions about the advantages and shortcomings of SAFEFILL. The main shortcoming was that there were only a few sites willing to fill their cylinders. I have had no difficulty in 3 years and it now appears that what I said about there being a acceptance of this product and the opening up of all Service Stations to filling these cylinders is now here. I said that things were about to change and they have!
Safefill cylinders are now accepted in the ' red book' , which, for all intents and purposes, is the bible of the LPG industry. I know more than probably most the fight that Safefill have had to bring this innovative product to this stage. They have faced massive indifference, positive derision, bullying, and any amount of banana skins thrown in their path to get the industry to accept their perfectly safe cylinders.
This is a massive move forward for all of us that want to see cheaper gas prices and not be held to ransom by the large companies to rent their cylinders, 3/4 of which is rental!
All garage forecourts are being informed by their publication 'petrol heads' . This simply put is there are now no obstacles in the way to fill your Safefill Cylinders. It's up to all of us to spread the word and to inform where ignorance exists. I have waited for this day for 4 years- it's now here! Well done and congratulations to Safefill for all your hard work and your tenacity to bring this Godsend to market.
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Sorry, Merve, but it's not 'up to all of us' and 'ignorance' Is such an insulting term!
What is the big deal?
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It seems that some misinterpret my post! Firstly- it's worth shouting about and secondly, when I say ignorance I am referring to the S/ stations that are not aware of the new circumstances! Not caravanners! Please don't misunderstand just to have a go. This is too important.Please see below - can someone make this a hyperlink please. Thanks
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If you can't work that out TW then I hope you are happy with your rented cylinders mate! You pay £24 - I pay £6. - big deal? Yes, I'd say so. Won't appeal to everyone but to those of us who have seen the advantages of Safefill this is a big day indeed.
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I must have bought 3, perhaps 4, cylinders in 40 years so it will make a terrific difference - not!
It is not the message you attempt to convey that I have issue with, but the arrogance of the assumption that this is some sort of evangelical revelation for which we should all be grateful. I see you now accept that it won't appeal to everyone. Too, true 'Mate'!
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TW, I apologise if I have upset you- for why, I know not??? I happen to believe that this is one of the biggest advances for caravanners in recent years. A bit like the SP but not so Earth shaking and as such the info needs to get out there. Others agree with me. I'm sorry that you have taken it so badly. Yes, 3 or 4 cylinders in 40 yrs is not a great usage. You are obviously one of those that this doesn't affect. I don't get involved in conversations that I am not interested in, why would I??
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Each to their own, Merve, but please don't attempt to tell us all what to do.
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Thanks for update ,will not affect us as the initial set up costs would never be recouped by us as we use 1x 6kg about every two years,
one query that i have reg "safe fill" or other type of "fixed gas tanks" as i understand it do "pressure vessels" have to be tested at intervals ? i know those at domestic premises have a "shelf life"
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Great news indeed Merve - although I must admit so far my cylinder (I have the big one) has lasted me till I get home - even the unexpected 9 weeks in France (and I didn't take the adapter as I expected to stay about a week!). Mind you that cost me a bit as I took an EHU when I didn't need to - but circumstances got in the way!
The link you gave - does it include enough info to pass on to reluctant outlets? I haven't read it all yet but I will do probably print it out and keep it handy!
Merve there is a question about Air Con in the Overseas Section which I think you could answer.
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Well, I hope it is a milestone as you say but I don't think it is an instruction that service stations must allow you to refill.
I suspect that their commercial interests including that of their wholesalers plus their insurers take on the still present risks could have an influence.
Here locally there would have to be a massive change in attitude before things get better, I met absolute 100% negativity at normal forecourts.
As said "I hope"; time will tell but just for a while, I will not put my Gas-lights on ebay.
No doubt posters will keep us informed should there be a widespread change.
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Although we don't have safe fill, we have Gaslow. I don't think we would have changed over to the refillable system if it hadn't been for the likes of Merve, BB, DD, KJ and others on CT who have given very good info and support to all.
So THANK YOU all.
Our last trip over the water we had our new system in place, we left with a full 11kg bottle, on return to Zeebrugge where we were to catch the ferry OH filled up the bottle to see how much we had used. The grant total of our 8 week trip came to 1.80€ about 5 litres. We were on campsites but this would have been around half a 6kg calorlite bottle say £12. The great thing about the refillable ones (apart from the price) is that it doesn't matter if you only have half a bottle left when you are due to go away again. In truth how many have exchanged a bottle before its empty because the alternative is to carry 2 bottles or risk running out and not being able to get another one.
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Hi Pippah, yes, that's what I intend to do. I am actively involved in getting the knowledge to the forecourts- the article will be a very powerful tool to let them see that Safefill is what it says Safe to fill! I do hope though that they don't see it as telling them what to do- nothing could be further from the truth. Thanks, I'll look at the Air con post.
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Yes, it's entirely possible that the forecourts will still resist although I find it difficult to see that. It's certainly not an instruction for them to fill them and this seems to be prevalent in this blog??? They are businesses after all and any revenue stream is welcome surely? If it's acceptable by the 'red book' then the insurance companies should have no difficulty with it. Thousands of cars fill up with exactly the same system every day? Calor knows that SF is here to stay now and if they ' lean' on their retailers as has happened in the past( I have personal experience of it) I think restrictive practices might be mentioned Ocsid. They will still be selling their gas won't they? Isn't that what they do- sell LPG? They just won't be making oodles of cash from rentals. It will be interesting will it not?
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Great News, the problem is Rip Off calor, most the forecourts sell calor, and calor put pressure on garaged not to fill them, calor don't like competition that's why they own most of the other brands
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Thanks for the info Merve, it is very good news. Although we don't use a lot of gas, I was not looking forward to switching back to the heavy bottles, while waiting for Calor to please themselves on if they introduce a new light weight. If I am going to have to pay for a new cylinder I may as well go down the Safefill route and save on the gas. What was putting me off was the problem of getting them refilled.
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Steve, never had a problem with refilling as I either take it with me or make sure there is a fill point fairly near or on route to where I'm going. Good luck and happy filling in the future. You'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner!!
That Dakota, is why this news is so huge. Never in the history of cylinder gas has something like this happened!! I don't know when cylinder gas was first produced but the caravanning public have been digging deep ever since! (and everybody else who uses gas - plumbers, roofers etc etc) The profits were obviously huge as they all started to produce very heavy, very expensive cylinders- Safefill has broken that strangle hold and monopoly and good on em!
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I recently invested in a Safefill and although I don't presently use much gas, I can see this changing in the event of a switch to a MH. That refilling will be more readily available is welcome.
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Although not as optimistic as some, I'm not negative about the subject, MM. I think you've misunderstood.
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i posed a question to you Merve, but i reread your post and realised i had the answer
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