Diesel / petrol banned by 2040 what do we do then
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Forget batteries as the primary power source - use hydrogen fuel cells to produce electricity. The only exhaust product is water vapour. If the infrastructure was in place, you could fill up just like using LPG, so you wouldn't have the long recharge time.
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interesting , any idea of cost?
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Not worried or bothered. Be too old by then if I'm still here.
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There were at least 200 Opel cars on beta test with Hydrogen conversions 15 years ago. Linde Gas had plenty of Hydrogen refilling stations established and working around Central Europe.
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And how exactly are we producing all of this hydrogen?
Hydrogen is not particularly safe, it has the widest explosive range of any gas and the lowest ignition energy (as in the static from your cloths), so ANY leak and you are going to get an explosion.
It is also the smallest molecule, so will find the smallest of leak paths. It is also more difficult to store as the H2 can become 2H's and diffuse into metals. If a second H joins it, it can become H2 again and literally a hydrogen blister can form in the metal.
Most importantly though, the primary methods of producing hydrogen are:
Natural Gas Reforming / Gasification (using fossil fuel and producing carbon monoxide / dioxide along with the hydrogen - can also be made from coal, another fossil fuel).
Electrolysis (uses electricity generated from ....fossil fuels, unless you live in Norway).
Still some hurdles then!
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Are you sure?
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About what?
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very interesting post, thanks
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You are assuming that this government will have any time to do anything other than drag us through brexit for the next decade or two.
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Looking on the bright side the amount of money poured into battery research. Is surely going to results in more powerful, lighter and cheaper batteries. Great for off grid and of course the power cuts when demand for electricity exceeds supply when everyone is charging up their cars.
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It seems our law court has now forced our government to take action; by "take action" I mean make an announcement of intention to stop the production of diesels after 2040. Looks like the survivors will need bigger batteries for their motor-movers.
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The court found that the Government had acted unlawfully, by not publishing plans on how the legal requirements for air quality are going to be met. This needs to be published in draft form by the end of this month. Reports are this draft will only address plans for NOx emissions and not much else. There is no court banning internal combustion engines.
PS Legislation for air quality is not that new. The first law was passed in 1306 by Edward l. I am sure there are some on here who remember how much better in life was in 1305 and it's been down hill all the way since then.
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Here's a link to the latest reports from the BBC
I wonder what will happen to the petro-chemical industries in general and oil producing countries? Surely big changes ahead although I will be too old or not even around by then.
edit Oh, I see I might be around when the switch to electric cars starts in the 2020s
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There are 31 million cars in the UK. How many street side charging points is it going to need? One outside every house? And what about people who live in flats?
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Too many have car ownership, need a crackdown on the population with a household limit (2) and flat dwellers banned outright, along with licence being revoked when reaching the age of 50.
Sounds like a plan.
Oh and if you have a M/H and can't judge the grey waste point on site, then on your bike. That'll get rid of a few
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How many charging points? Answer lots. But you would get similar objections in 1900 if it was suggested that every house in the country would be connected to an electricity supply. It will come because the alternatives are worse.
However it will take leadership at a national level and let's face it. The last few national administrations have been to leadership, what British caravan industry has been to quality control. All talk.
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Last month the government said they couldn't afford to electrify the railway down here to to the south west, but they were going to get some new diesel trains for us. And today they say we have got to get rid of our diesel cars...
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How many lorries are there on the roads.? How will we move livestock farming equipment etc.? White van man for your orders off the internet etc,? plus all the older vehicles just look at the cost of the hybrid cars not cheap, Taxi's on the road 24 hours a day wheres the charging points around every corner. Will you be able to tow your caravan to the France or Spain and how long will it take you.? I can't see this happening.
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Yes Boff, I was only reading the other day the collaboration between American and Chinese scientists and technologists to develop the sodium battery. Apparently there are a few hurdles but it's looking very promising whatever that means- No shortage of power there- sodium = salt = if they can crack it, it should be plentiful.
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In terms of technology , 2040 will have brought in massive leaps in every aspect of our daily life.....our leaders may have even eradicated poverty.(wouldn't that be something !!). I would suggest that even the modern electric car will have been replaced with the up coming Hydrogen cell powered car by 2025...or perhaps even Nuclear cell power. I was at a shopping complex near to Saint Hilaire-de-Riez a couple of weeks ago where in one of the malls a company was showing both their new electric and hydrogen engines....the latter, I was assured, would comfortably tow a 1600kg caravan for 250/300 miles before a refill...Plus both engines conform to the Green Crit-Air badge certificate
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