Mountain out of a molehill

unicorns
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edited July 2017 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

We are staying at our favourite site Sandringham in the woods of Norfolk. Today a chap started laying lethal Mole traps in the Mole runway at the rear of our caravan. It started to make me question why? What harm could a few Moles do. So I went and asked the site warden's and was suprised that the answer was as a company the CAMC have to. This seemed to me totally unnecessary, I know Moles runways  (name used for their tunnels ) can be destructive if in the middle of a well manicured lawn but not in the middle of a Norfolk forest. There are numerous Rabbit holes on site so a few Molehills should not be a problem. Moles do not carry any disease,  the hill left by the Mole surfacing can be easily flattened. 

Let's not destroy our wildlife just because sometimes it is an inconvenience. 

Graham Saville 

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2017 #2

    Excellent postsmile as a species Humans destroy everything that stops them from having life easy & cost effective. How a tiny little subterranean burrower can be destroyed in its own environment I can't understand. It sits very badly with the 'great outdoors' attitude. Great outdoors?, preferably without any creatures that live in the great outdoors-sickeningcry

  • unicorns
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    edited July 2017 #3

    It is heartening to know that others think as I do 

    Cheers 

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  • InaD
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    edited July 2017 #5

    I too agree that it is rather ironic to promote "the great outdoors" yet "as a company the CAMC have to lay these traps" (quoted from OP)?  I wonder why, in a setting such as Sandringham.  It's too easy to destroy wildlife, the moles were there before the site was.

  • Fisherman
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    edited July 2017 #6

    Rubbish. Pests and vermin  need control. 

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2017 #7

    There may be good reasons to control. Without full details I would not condemn. Yes it is a shame is all I will say.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2017 #8

    QED.

  • unicorns
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    edited July 2017 #9

    I did ask why but the main repeated response was that as a company they have to, they also said that "when they arrived earlier in the year there was a lot of Molehills to  clear up".

    Just for information Sandringham is open all year  so maybe different warden's different values. 

  • Oneputt
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    edited July 2017 #10

    Whenever I see mole traps I always give them a good kick.

    I think as the club are pushing the countryside and wildlife I shall take it on myself to write and complain about this barbaric practice.  

    This is another thread that should elicit a reply from a staff champions, you know the ones, the big fanfare and welcome.....then nothing!

     

  • unicorns
    unicorns Forum Participant Posts: 8
    edited July 2017 #11

    I will also 

  • Oneputt
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    edited July 2017 #12

    http://www.hortweek.com/pest-disease-factsheet-moles/ornamentals/article/1426987

     

    Fact sheet doesn't identify any disease related issues

  • Oneputt
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    edited July 2017 #13

    This thread is about moles being dispatched on club sites and I and others take an opposing view to you.  Your last sentence is not worthy of a response.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2017 #14

    I've had Moles burrowing in my garden & throwing up hills. I used most of the hills as potting compost-excellent stuff it is. I then raked it clear. Mother Nature sorted the rest. In a week the Mole/s moved on, they lived & I got some excellent flowers. Humans & Nature working in harmony. That's how to treat the wildlife that was here before we ever weresmile

  • huskydog
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    edited July 2017 #15

    Yet again man stamps his foot and it's the animals who sufferfrown

  • SteveL
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    edited July 2017 #16

    Rat traps at Baltic Wharf👍

    Mole traps at Sandringham, on face value👎

    Although as ET said we may not have the full picture. They do I understand eat there own body weight in earthworms every day. Perhaps they are running out of control  and the authorities are not content to wait for a shortage of food supply to control population. Perhaps if the club still look at these threads, which I am beginning to doubt, they could comment.

  • Fisherman
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    edited July 2017 #17

    Again its the arm wringing, sentimental, clap trap from those who only understand  wildlife from the false, engineered TV programmes that want to control the countryside. Leave it to the exerts and the long lived country folk and a proper balance will be achieved.

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2017 #18

    Why do you persist in this "us versus them", "town versus country" twaddle, Fisherman? Everyone is entitled to ther view, surely? How would you " country folk" survive without the support/investment/subsidy of "town/city folk"?

    The style of your comments on subjects like this are narrow minded and not appropriate on this forum, I'd suggest.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2017 #19

    laughingYou are very shortsighted in your outlook Fish. Many of us live in the real Countryside, no Pub, no Shops, no Buses. Just acres of the wild landscape with no need to take life & control anything that doesn't fit in our 21st century over engineered life. You & your fellows are an anachronism from a bygone time. Those that live with Nature are the true decent Humans, taking life for survival not pleasure.

  • JohnM20
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    edited July 2017 #20

    What / who defines "Pests and Vermin" ?

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2017 #21

    Not having seen the damage caused by the moles, as I said earlier, i find it hard to criticise. Could do with a cull of rabbits on some sites though. smile

  • huskydog
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    edited July 2017 #22

    A pest is someone who comes in my shop and doesn't buy anything wink

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2017 #23

    Is a dog a pest? as when we went into shops that allowed dog, she never bought anything eithercoolwink 

  • Oneputt
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    edited July 2017 #24

    Mind your own business and let the landowners manage

    Are these the same landowners who allow Hen Harriers and other birds of prey to be poisoned and shot on their property?

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2017 #25

    Well said

  • Freedom a whitebox
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    edited July 2017 #26

    Jasper Carrot -shotgun and swivel chair springs to mind. ( only for the entertainment value)

    Not into killing something for fun or that isn't doing me any harm!

  • Fisherman
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    edited July 2017 #27

    No those landowners are townies with lots of cash who moved to the country for their entertainment and with no concept of real rural morals. Most are ex bankers and get rich quick merchants.

  • cariadon
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    edited July 2017 #28

    A few years ago there was a programme on pest control and the reason some councils had to get rid of moles from public was that the runs/ tunnels was weakening the ground, making it sink and causing a hazard to walkers. 

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  • triky auto
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    edited July 2017 #30

    " Blackhorse Farm"??undecided ??Stick to the roads & walkways ,,or a sprained ankle could result !!surprised.

  • Merve
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    edited July 2017 #31

    Graham, as a former professional pest controller, I accept most of your post and agree with it, but,  let's not go OTT. I do hope you are not suggesting these traps are lethal to anything else other than the moles.  The problem with moles is that they can remove large amounts of soil from just below the surface (feed runs) and deeper ( mobility runs) and can make the surrounding  area start to sink. Perhaps it's this fact that makes the club take action? It's not always obvious as to why action is taken but there will be a reason. I doubt that the club takes action against wildlife without extremely valid and pressing reasons.