Motorhomes on club sites
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I'm not sure that I would like that David. With the standard layout of car/caravan/awning, you can at least park the vehicle (caravan/motorhome) either nose in or rear in and still have a sitting out area next to your door. If the van, be it caravan or m/h had to park to the left of the pitch you would always have to go rear in to have the sitting area by the van door (unless your a foreign van)
On some sites we park nose in due to the slope of the pitch, this levels the van without need of using ramps. If we HAD to park rear in that would mean on some pitches we would have to go right to the top of the ramps to get the van level, not ideal.
Pitching with the van in the middle gives much more flexibility.
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The spread of fire in caravans is nothing to do with the presence of gas bottles. A caravan will burn intensely and be a smouldering ruin in about three to five minutes. Aluminimum panels burn just as fiercely as cladding once alight. The heat is such that materials not in contact with the burning caravan will also become alight. There is also wood and plastics. Six meters is a compromise between absolute safety and convenience.
That is why it is so important to get everyone out immediately. The gas bottles will be barely warm. Ever wondered about the fireproof materials around the gas bottle space? Which side do the designers think will have the fire?
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yes good post, as I said the safest site would have one caravan.
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or none
the 'one' might be the one that catches fire
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I think you've missed the point BB, the spacing is not about stopping units catching fire it's about stopping that fire spreading to others.
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I bow to your superior knowledge re the gas bottles Nav.
I know only too well the amount of heat that is generated from a caravan that is on fire.
You may remember my post last year about my friends caravan that was set alight one night by some low life. He lives on a corner plot and so the caravan was quite some distance from the house but the heat melted all his window frames, his wife's car set alight and next doors conservatory melted.
Regarding gas bottles just check this advice out https://www.calor.co.uk/emergency-procedures
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When I was learning about fire I was shown an old black and white film that had been shot in 1920s of a warehouse on fire in a typical American city of the time. It had been taken from a fixed camera on another building a distance along the street - a bit like modern CCTV image. The street was the usual formation, pavements, carriageway, and two sets of tram lines in the middle - probably 50 feet wide at least.
As the fire developed the building opposite started to smoke and smoulder but neither the onlookkers or the fire service people in the street noticed rightaway until it actually burst into flames and bits of burning wood fell down on them. This was a brick/stone building at least 50 feet from the fire, with no flames or sparks crossing the street.
And folk in caravans moan about 20 feet!
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obviously, i realise that they are to prevent spead
....however, your point about having one van on site as being the 'safest' site, isnt true in the case i pointed out.
certainly wouldnt be the safest for anyone inside it
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I'm glad you have now grasped the point of the 6m spacing, its has become an essential point of this thread. This thread is about spacing between units BB and the possible spread of fire between caravans or motor homes and how to keep safe on site by reducing the spread of fire from one unit to another.Therefore there has to be at least one other unit when discussing fire safety in the context of this thread.
This thread is about fire safety on a site relating to the spacing between units.
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Hmmm.......quite a few years ago I was assisting a Royal Navy firefighter team covering one of the fire strikes......
They were very very cautious of a fire where there were gas cylinders present....
Something like this is worth a watch.....
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The idea that you should have different rules for caravans and motorhomes is simply unworkable. You have to keep it simple and so all siting has to be the same or chaos ensues.
The six meter rule is also a safety one, and if you were going to let motorhomes pitch differently you would need a second marker to show their limit. It is not a bias or unfair ruling it is just common sense to work on the current system.
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I don't follow the point about a "second marker".
As I read it all, what everyone gets when they hire a pitch is the right to park a caravan (trailer or otherwise) on a piece of ground that is usually roughtly rectangular and extends from the given marker out to the roadway (or in the absence of a road lets say for 12 meters) and to the right of the marker by 3 meters or so. That's it - nothing more.
On either side there may be another pitch at a minimum safety distance of at least 6 meters. One is allowed to place a car and/or an awning (on awning pitches) immediately adjacent to one's caravan on either side within the safety space.
This works for trailer caravans, motorised caravans, trailer tents, and everything else that folk use. It works for pitches that are hard, grass or mud. It does not use the edge of a hard standing or a hedge to define anything. If one's caravan is less than the 3 meters or so it can go across the way.
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CANCELLATION LATE AVAILABILITY... 8 nights from ....TODAY 4th July - 12th July. X TWO PITCHES. Next 8 days are forecast to be fair weather. Beautiful scenery, facilities, free wifi, excellent tv reception. 3 miles from our blue flag beach Tywyn.
1 unit + 2 adults £16 per night or + awning £18 per night. Inc.
Please call 01654 711731 or email gailwhiteside@hotmail.co.uk.
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Did you mean to post this in the CL late availability section Gail? Might be worth repeating it there if a mod can't move it. Hope you get some take up - beautiful area, we've stayed there many times in my younger, more athletic days - never did beat that damn train!! (Do they still do that event?)
Moderator Comment - Unfortunately can't move individual posts only complete threads.
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Now just back from St.Davids. Site almost full each day. There is a mix of Caravans & Motorhomes, some with awnings, other tent types, others like us just freestanding. Its all grass and the only indication of your pitch is the marker with number. Did not see any encroachment, rows or anything. Everyone just enjoying themselves in excellent weather with everyone outside on chairs
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Hi Gail,
I can 100% vouch for this site, having just spent two weeks there myself.
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Really when we have paid to rent a pitch we should be able to park anyhow we like on it . The pitches should be 6mtrs apart then there would be no argument , but they won't do that will they !!
Moderator Edit:
This is an old thread and all has been said more than once already. No point in repeating it yet again.
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It’s an old thread and we’ve said it all before.
Yeah, pitch any way you like and cause a fire hazard - you go for it.
If pitches were 6m apart, there would be less of them and many more people wouldn’t be able to get on site. That might include you, DW.
Perhaps this club isn’t for you?
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It would be more damaging to the club than just a reduction of up to 20% on the number of site pitches which would no doubt be mitigated by increased numbers of narrowed non-awning pitches; there would also be the cost of reconstructing nearly every hard standing
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As a PS, you do realise that you can park either nose in or rear in, don’t you, DW?
If nose in, you put the front N/S corner to the peg and, if rear in, it’s the rear O/S corner.
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