Do you need a oil cooler
Hi, Do you need a oil cooler on a 2014 ford kuga 2lt 163bhp Auto?
Thanks Elsa
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MM, Can you explain please, I'm a bit of a dinosaur and come from an age where all auto boxes had automatic fluid which often needed additional cooling if towing. My Merc ML certainly has it.
But I have heard that many cars today have DSG ?? Gearboxes that don't cope with heavy loads so well?
As I said, I'm old school in respect of newer fit boxes, so please explain.
TF
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TF
A DSG type gearbox is in effect an automated pre-select box, it does not have a fluid flywheel/torque converter and so has no ATF that may overheat.
See: Direct-shift gearbox - Wikipedia
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In essence, it's a manual gearbox with a means to press the clutch pedal by electrickery. Those in my Smart are just that, a motor winds a pin in & out which replaces a left foot. DSG are somewhat more complex, but do similar, though there are 2 clutch plates in there, one for even gears & t'others for odd. Just means that you can burn two clutches out instead of one.
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The MK2 Kuga, like my MK1 does not need an extra oil cooler for either the engine or Powershift gearbox.
As said it's not a true automatic but a manual automated
It has two clutch plates that run in an oil bath, I've yet to hear about anyone "burning them out"
You will find it is a very capable tow car and the Powershift gearbox (once you get use to its quirks) makes the whole towing experience very relaxed.
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Don't like the sound of any of that! Ive hung onto my V6 3 Litre with a real auto box, proper cooling, and a chain driven timing system, for 6 years now. She's running like a sewing machine and until someone can come up with a comparable system, I think that I'll stick with it!
The DSG sounds like a real weak spot, when the terrain is bad.
TF
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As posted above there are no modifications necessary on the Mk1 or MK2 Kuga for towing.
The only exception is the 2.5 petrol turbo engine models, these need an upgraded water pump (strangely not a bigger radiator?)
The OP has given a spec of 163 BHP so this would make it a 2ltr diesel AWD model (2.5 petrol is 200 BHP)
Of course I could be talking rubbish so best to check with your local dealer
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We're going a bit of topic ....but
2017 Ford Kuga?
As far as I'm aware they don't do a 2lt petrol? But they do a wide range of engines in manual and auto depending on base model
2.0 diesel 180PS
2.0 diesel 150PS
1.5 diesel 120PS
1.5T petrol 182PS
1.5T petrol 150PS
1.5T petrol 120PS
I'm giving some thought to trading in mine against a new one!
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I was quite keen, until I saw the size of the petrol engines, I am afraid that this old Dinosaur will never accept that a1.5 Petrol engine will deliver the same Torque and BHP, that my 3 litre turbo diesel will, at about 1800 rpm. Until the Engine makers can match that, no-one will persuade me out of my Diesel. But by the same token I'm not going to spend more money on buying another diesel.
So my much loved Merc 3 Litre V6 will have to soldier on. Mind you she just purr's along, does about 34 solo, never uses a drop of oil between annual services. She's still only done 72K since I bought her new 6 years ago. I enquired about changing the timing belt at my dealer, and they fell about laughing. Apparently she has a timing chain which never requires changing! So why worry? I'll stick with her.
TF
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Ive just recently clocked 90k on my car and there's loads of life left in it. Our V6 has some potentially very expensive problems ie inlet port motor can get drowned in oil from the turbo inlet seal failing but on the whole, as long as it's looked after it'll last for ever (almost).
A timing chain can last for ever but it's life is dependent on you servicing you car as it should. I also have a Smart Roadster that also has a timing chain. It wasn't the wisest of buys (hindsight is wonderful) and the oil leak turned out to be due to the chain trying to escape by cutting it's way through the ally timing chain cover. The chain had had its day many miles beforehand.
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There's no worries about servicing in this direction MM. If I had it my way just like aviation practice, I would make it an offence to exceed a maintenance period by any more than 250 miles.
My Merc has been maintained by the selling Mercedes Dealer all its life. I'm on a maintenance contract, paying a set amount every month, so when the car goes in, even for its biggest service, it costs me nothing.
My only gripe is that the car will do 15,000 miles between services, but I get caught by the fact that if it has not reached the 15k in 12 months, then it needs it done annually, so I have mine done at about 12K not the permitted 15K
To go back to the OP, Yes I have an oil cooler as part of the original spec and I am very pleased to have it too.
My previous car a 2009 Mercedes E class Estate with the 4 cylinder 2.2 Diesel didn't, and did suffer from too high gearbox temps under extreme conditions. How did that manifest itself? Well the car usually pulled my heavy Coachman caravan OK, but on two occasions coming up the French Motorway from the South of France towards Clermont Ferrand, in very hot weather, it stopped changing up automatically and I had to use manual override. It recovered as the route flattened out. But I had the transmission fluid changed as a precaution. With the ML300CDI thats never been a problem whatever the conditions. Its just another reason though why I like big engines!
TF
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If it's the same 2.0 163 BHP mated to the Powershift box, like the S-Max there are sophisticated temperature and physical alerts (pulsing of the clutches which cause, in one case vibration in the car, the other case not) which protect both the transmission oil temperature and the clutches. There will also be visual warnings on the dashboard.
There are also 59 limp home strategies including individual gear blocking or odd/even groups out of service which can be adopted if specific components inside the box fail!
There is no mention of additional cooling (other than the oil cooler that is already fitted to transfer heat to the coolant circuit) in the manual that gave this info.
As said, we find it great and have never had any issues towing in extreme hill and temperature conditions that we have asked it to cope with.
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