An accident in waiting
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Attacking? Just who are you accusing of attacking, Ian? Oh, the irony.
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Hardly might overlap school holidays Ian. The OP's review posted on the 17/4 says they stayed a few days before. Local holidays were from the 10/4 to 21/4 here in Notts from 3/4 to 17/4. So in effect squarely in the middle. As such a site like Bridlington is likely to have a high number of children.
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Not really Ian. Bad, unsociable, unsafe behaviour isn't acceptable at anytime. Unfortunately, it is all around us daily nowadays, poorly supervised children, folks owning dogs that have no idea how to socialise and train them, drivers who care little about the safety of others. All that happens is that the Club has a few of these folks as members, and as Club Sites tend to be busier during school holidays, there does appear to be a higher proportion of these sorts of folks onsite. Just basic maths, percentages really.
We learned long ago that a peaceful holiday during school holidays is seldom to be had on a big Club Site, so we either go elsewhere, or during term time. I don't have a high threshold of tolerance towards such folks, stems from my upbringing and my employment, so easier for us to avoid the hoards.
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I am certainly not, but like TDA accept that the incidence of questionable behaviour is likely to be higher at these times. However, from a personal perspective, apart from finding the sites very busy and the facilities overstretched, as more vans have 4 occupants, we have never had significant problems when we have holidayed at these times.
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The thing is that we all come from different walks of life ,and all have different levels of right or wrong, and how to do things and conduct our selfs , so when we then all arrive on a site then there are bound to be situations that arise , some are more tolerant than others ,but who is right or wrong ?
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We haven't had too many problems either, and I include commercial sites in my observations as well. We are fortunate to be able to holiday outside of school holidays, been like that for a very long time. Back when we did have to go in Summer break, we used a small private site, and a no facilities Club Site. Never personally had any issues, although I do recall one or two campers unceremoniously removed from private site if they were less than well behaved. But it was an extremely well run site, we met a lot of the same folks each year, all happily getting along.
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I know you like to over dramatise at times, Ian, but who is "attacking" the OP? (I notice you also used that expression in the "barking dogs" thread. Where are these "attacking" posts?
All I've read are some posts asking the OP for clarification and some suggesting how the matter might have been dealt with at the time. Surely such replies are valid?
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That's the problem HD, some folks don't have a clear view of what is right, what is wrong, what borders on bad behaviour when living in close proximity to others. We all go "oh dear" when something bad happens, but a lot of life's mishaps are just a failure to recognise good common sense, and all too often it has tragic consequences usually for the most vulnerable such as children or the elderly or even pets. There are some folks out there that should not have children and not own pets, for the good of such innocents. But nothing can be done to prevent this. They just become statistics sadly.
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I'll put aside the initial insulting comment and just answer your question.
The attacks include:
Suggesting that the children could not have been playing in front of the op's van
Suggesting that he shouldn't chose that 4 week period to take a holiday
Questioning his statement that he went outside school holidays (and even going to the extent of searching elsewhere on the web site to try to show that he didn't know when he went - or worse, was lying)
Suggesting that he had no right to comment if he hadn't spoken to the warden (and assuming that he hadn't, just because he chose to ignore the taunting question)
Saying that he should use AO sites if he doesn't like bad behaviour on Club sites
Suggesting that he was wrong when he said he saw cars doing 5mph
Saying that he was aggressive towards children
And generally suggesting that there must be an ulterior motive to his post, because he dared to make a comment that others disagreed with.
Debate the subject and stop attacking the guy. Maybe then something will eventually get done about these unruly kids.....clearly their parents aren't going to do anything.
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Really, Ian? You really consider that comment an insult? Well, I never had you down as being quite so thin skinned, but if you were really insulted by it I can only apologise because it certainly wasn't meant as an insult - still, a bit of "the biter bitten" and all that!
But I'm interested to know why you consider anyone asking the OP questions about his post or suggesting ways of dealing with the problem differently as "attacks". I think you're reading what you think was written rather than what actually was! Surely on a forum such as this one is entitled to disagree or ask for clarification without being accused of "attacking"?
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I have to side with IanH on this, the OP is entitled to his opinion. Members have the right to their opinion without others being downright rude and sarcastic, it is unnecessary.
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Absolutely right, Ian. Of course the OP is entitled to express their opinion. But surely others are allowed to disagree, ask for clarification or make suggestions without beingcowed by the suggestion that they are "attacking" the OP. Otherwise we might as well have a whole series of OPs with no discussion at all.
Incidentally, I observe that, as yet, the OP hasn't complained about being "attacked"!
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so Ian,anyone daring to post their own opinion or point out inaccuracies in a post is now an attacker? Quite an emotive word , and one that should not be used really in a civilised forum or by civil folk.
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I've just read the entire thread again. I see people making helpful suggestions, giving common sense pointers, using a bit of humour to lighten the mood and people stating their opinions in a matter of fact way.
I see no one 'attacking' the OP or being rude or sarcastic and only one poster having a go at his fellow posters.
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would have to agree. or +1
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In fairness to Ian, I do agree that folk should be able to start threads like this with their honest opinions and not be "attacked" for it (although I still can't for the life of me see how the replies can be interpretd as "attacks" on the OP).
Equally, I look forward to the time when folk can start threads praising CAMC sites with out being "attacked" as "sycophantic"or of being members of some "fan club")
After all, as a wise former member used to say "it's only a forum, not real life"!
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yes, completely agree.
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I think the vast majority of posters in this thread fall into your 'more reasonable' category, Ocsid.
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I seem to have stirred quite a few people up , and got up the backs of others , but just to add, I did not report matter to wardens , as nice as they were , I am sure they would have dropped everything and come and sorted the matter out (NOT). As a professional driver , I realise it is better to back into a space , so when pulling out you have better visibility ,and usually do , but having a disabled wife who has great difficulty walking , we chose to drive in so she was next to caravan door ,and before any bright spark says "you are supposed to park on the off side of your unit " , we were on a corner pitch , there was ample room , and the warden suggested we did this . But in summery we have learned lessons , it has taken long enough , we have only been caravanning for 45 or so years , but bear in mind not all drivers stick to speed limits , 5mph , tick over in first gear or what ever , and one day dear friends , one day , someone will come to grief , I am pleased I will not be around to see it . I will be on an adult only site .
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That maybe a wise decision in view of your experience, Luke.
I still think it's a pity you didn't bring the matter to the attention of the wardens. You could have helped them to make the site safer by doing so and, if the worst had happened, you would have been comforted by knowing you had done all you could.
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Hi everyone,
I think we all agree that we can all express our opinion however I would politely ask that people consider their words before they post to ensure there can be no misunderstandings, as on a forum it's very easy to get the wrong impression as you can't see expression or hear tone of voice. Please can we all be polite to each other and avoid accusations and respect others views, even if we don't agree. Let's please try hard to keep this forum friendly as we want to encourage new contributors, not scare them away with disagreements.
As lukethedrifter has viewed all the replies and returned to post again a summary, I will now close this discussion and thank you all for your understanding.
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