Another attempt: TalkTalk Scam

EasyT
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edited April 2017 in General Chat #1

WE ARE ALL AWARE OF COMPUTER SCAMS.

E-mail from a friend today:
Hi everybody,

 

Recently, I sent you a couple of emails about being vigilant about scams on your computer. Well, since then, the hackers have got me.

Not only was my computer infected, but the hackers took £4000 from my bank account.

 

I should say that I gave them £4000, without realising what I was doing. This is how they did it;

 

You may remember that TalkTalk were hacked a year or two ago, and thousands of customers’ personal details were stolen.

On the Thursday before last (6th April), my computer started going very slowly and at Startup, a grey film covered my screen. I guessed that my computer had been infected by some sort of malware, and decided that when I was making lunch at 11.30am, I would do a virus check and clean up. However, at 11.05 I had a phone call from a call centre in India. They said they were from Talktalk and that they were aware that my computer had been attacked. They said that they could fix the problem for me, remotely.

I thought that I should leave it to the experts, so I took my laptop to the phone and started to follow their instructions. The young Indian man was very polite and well mannered, but I couldn’t follow everything that he said because of his accent. He asked me to switch off any other devices such as tablets and smartphones etc, and told me that I would need a new router, which would be delivered to my home the following day.

He asked me to give him the code number from the back of my router, then he gave me the name and details of the driver who would deliver my new router, which he asked me to write down. He also asked me to write down the serial number and code number of the new router, which he read out to me. So far so good.

All of this time I believed that the call was genuine. He said that the reason the virus had got into my device was because my security package hadn’t been working for some time. so when he asked if I would give permission for him to remotely take control of my laptop to dig out the virus, I agreed.

On my screen I saw the cursor moving about on it’s own and an icon called Opera Security popped up on my start screen.

After about two hours of watching lines of data scrolling up the screen, and me writing down 32-digit codes when requested, I was getting fed up, and on a couple of occasions I asked how much longer it would all take.

The polite young man, speaking on the phone, apologised for taking so long and said that I would be given a £200 refund because I had been paying them for their security package that had been switched off.

 

This is where they pulled off the sting. The man said that £200 had been sent to my bank account and would I check that it had arrived. I opened my Santander bank account, which I recognised, and the recent transactions were correct, but on today’s date, instead of £200 in the deposits in-box, there was £8200. I told the young man that he had sent £8000 too much. He sounded very worried and asked me to send the £8000 back, because it was Talktalk’s money, not mine. I said that I would send it back, and he put the bank account details up on my screen. He asked me to send £4000 and later, another £4000. I went into my online account and sent £4000 to the account number that I had been given.

The security department of Santander banking rang me to ask if my request was genuine and I said that it was, so after giving them some security details, the £4000 was sent.

 

The young Indian man said that his senior officer wanted to speak to me on the phone, and an older sounding man said that they had received the first £4000 but my account had been blocked and they needed to get the other £4000, and I should ring my bank back and demand that the account should be unblocked.

At last, I started getting suspicious, so I rang the bank’s security department and told them what had happened. The security man listened to what I said, and told me that I was being scammed. He said that the scammers had taken £4000 from my account.

I told him that I’d seen my bank account, and I still had £4200 of their money in my account, but he said that they had showed me a false screen, and they hadn’t sent any money to my account, at all. He told me to hang up my landline phone and switch off my laptop, and he would see if he could get my money back.

About an hour later, he rang to say that the £4000 had gone to a TSB bank account, but they’d succeeded in getting that account blocked. My money was still in there but it would be up to 28 days before it was back in my account.

 

So, I had a very close shave. I nearly lost a large sum of money to the scammers.

 

In the evening I took my laptop to Currys PC World, and left it there for a factory reset and malware removal.

I have it back, now, but I’ve had a nightmarish few days trying to get my emails to work. I managed to do that, yesterday, and today, I’ve been retyping all (or most of) my email addresses into my address file.

I really hope this never happens again, but I’ve been warned by the bank that I will be targeted again, maybe not by the same people, but they will have passed around my details to other scammers.

 

Sorry about the long-winded email, but I thought that you should know how easy it is to get scammed, and if something like this happens to you, be aware.

And I thought that I was being vigilant, more fool me.

 

My reply:
We rarely get unsolicited calls. Typically once a year. Before we came away I answered 4 phone calls purporting to be from Openreach saying that they had noticed my computer access being slow. I told the Indian sounding guy that I would not carry on the conversation. The world loves a trier!

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2017 #2

    Funnily enough I had 'Microsoft security ' on the phone last week ..... I didn't  know they had offices in Bradford innocent They hung up when I  kept asking where in the world they were cool

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2017 #3

    It's  pretty simple. Your internet provider, your bank etc will never phone you & NEVER EVER ask for passwords.  If you think it's  a scam it will be .....you always have the option of phoning them using numbers that you have found yourself. 

    On another occasion, I was asked for my credit card details as part of an obvious scam ...... they kinda gave themselves away by telling me to Foxtrott Oscar when I laughed at them. 

  • IanH
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    edited April 2017 #4

    Exactly so, MM.........we get a call from 'TalkTalk' every week or so. Sometimes I string them along but mostly I suggest that they take a stroll.

    Give a stranger on the phone access to our PC? No, I don't think so.

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2017 #5

    Funnily enough, last year, I had a call from somebody claiming to be from HSBC fraud department regarding a transaction. I was pretty sure that they were genuine but when they asked me to go through security details I said no. As later transpired they were genuine.

  • redface
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    edited April 2017 #6

    A difficult problem , and it is easy to see how we can be fooled.

    Thanks ET for telling us how, trust you do not end up losing out - sounds like you may eventually be OK.

    Good luck

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2017 #7

    It was not me. It was my friend who e-mailed his tale of woe. I am far less trusting.smile

  • groovy cleaner
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    edited April 2017 #8

    I don't answer my phone no one important rings me ,my family not ring me as there are no phones in Heaven my only sister never rings me even tho I live alone I have to ring her ,when I do answer the phone it's nuisance callers so just don't bother answering it frown

  • Navigateur
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    edited April 2017 #9

    I think you have got it fixed!

     

     

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2017 #10

    The new phone we bought in the January sales solves all landline problems. Any numbers not in the contacts are diverted immediately to answerphone. If scammers want to talk to that they can, but so far none have. Of course if it's a genuine call they can leave a message, and if you want them to be let through next time add them to contacts.

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2017 #11

    Sad that many need to resort to that Steve. We usually get one unwanted call a year. 

    As I said to get 4 from the same source within 2 weeks was unusual and why I reckon the bloke is a trier

  • Goldie146
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    edited April 2017 #12

    Recently I've had a few calls to my mobile - showing as "unknown caller". I either ignore or answer them in French if I have time to bother. My French is improving, and is much better than their English.

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2017 #13

    Indeed it is ET. Just a shame I do not seem to be to do the same on my mobile. Although you can easily block unwanted calls, those that ring from a call centre with multiple number variations still get through. So it is a case of looking and seeing if the phone recognises it before answering. Fortunately we don't get an excessive number but enough to be annoying,

  • groovy cleaner
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    edited April 2017 #14

    has anyone had unwanted calls on their mobile that has a local area code so you think it's a normal number ?? I hope this makes sense as I have had it got a lot of calls from it on my mobile same area code as where I live so I rang it on my house phone to see who it was and it was a voice recorded message saying to had to email this address to get it stopped but when I tried to do that it got sent back as undeliverable so I stored the number in my phone then blocked it 

  • brue
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    edited April 2017 #15

    I never get any unsolicited calls on my house phone or mobile....what am I doing right? I get a minimal amount of suspect spam, usually via someone else's poorly secured system. To remove tracking data I clear the browser a lot.

    If you get calls on your mobile other than ones you recognise or have supplied with the your number just delete them. 

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2017 #16

    If you delete the number brue you can't block it as GC and I do. On my phone you just select block this contact and it does so until it drops off the bottom of the calls list in a few months time. The only time I would need to save the contact is if I wanted to block it for ever. In most cases the time it takes to drop off of the calls list is quite sufficient.

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2017 #17

    It appears to be a new ploy. Now that so called legitimate callers have to send a caller ID. They route there calls through local exchanges. Or use an internet number VOIP. I know a few years ago, before face time. I set up an internet phone account with BT for cheap calls abroad, and I was given free choice of what STD prefix I wanted. I am sure it makes it much more likely they get an answer.

  • brue
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    edited April 2017 #18

    I didn't make my post in a very "clear" way as I mixed phone calls with e mails. But I don't get any unsolicited phone calls and if I did I would not respond. If you do respond to these randomised calls which have come in via whatever means this creates a positive hit and these positive hits get sold on. (Phone or email.)

  • Bakers2
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    edited April 2017 #19

    On my mobile phone I have all the contacts I want to receive calls from, there are a few like the plumber I'm not bothered about, assigned to a ring tone, if if rings with the default ring I let it go to voice mail saves scrabbling in the pocket or handbag only to be disappointed 😉

    Luckily we rarely get any unsolicited phone calls or spam. Virgin seem to be very good at spitting the rubbish.

  • Oneputt
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    edited April 2017 #20

    Shows you can never be too careful.

  • paul56
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    edited April 2017 #21

    Interesting Bakers2 we  moved to Virgin a few months ago and have hardly had any unwanted calls - not even the 'I understand you have been in a car accident recently...' which was one of our favourites. Perhaps Virgin do filter some out???

  • Bakers2
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    edited April 2017 #22

    We have been with Virgin for 15 plus years. Could possibly get it much cheaper if we rejoined! but generally have a good natter once a year and are happy with the service so stay. We are also registered for telephone preference service so don't know if that makes a difference as well. We have always been ex directory and very careful about giving out our number. We have always found the Internet and spam blocks brilliant.

  • ABM
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    edited April 2017 #23

    My  land line  has  Caller  display,  if  I  recognise  it  I  will  answer.

    If  I  do  not  recognise  it,  I  leave  it  then  check  1571 --  if  no  response  there  I  forget  it.

    If  any  family  or  friends  call  me  from  abroad  they  first  send  short  text  to  my  mobile  otherwise  they  know  I  won't  respond.

    Some  time  ago  I  started  this  system,  but  before  that  I  tried  very  hard  to  educate  unwanted  callers  in  the  finer  points  of  the  Coarser  English  Dictionary.surprised

    Similar  system  applies  on  line  --  I  just  delete  items  --  don't  even  try  to  "Un subscribe"  its  their  time  they  are  wasting  wink

  • Bakers2
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    edited April 2017 #24

    We have caller display on our landline phones but they just say 'incoming call'. I believe you have to pay to have it with your provider? When darling out it tells who you're calling. 

  • ABM
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    edited April 2017 #25

    Bakers,  you'll  have  to  check  with  your  own  supplier  for  this  --  they  have  so  many  variations  its  not  true  yell !

    But  if  its  only  saying  Incoming  Call  then  its  not  true  Caller  Display  as  I  understand  it.  That  can  tell  you  the  complete  number,  or,  if  its  a  number  in  your  phones  memory  it  might  say  '  Bloggs  Garage'  Cousin  Lavinia  or  some  such.