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mmm, you sure Ian? you once posted that you went off school to listen to American Pie? Must be a different IanH that posted that then.
Anyway good dodge and you've only answered one part of my original post, so in case your failing memory needs further help I'll repast taking out the slanderous (lol) part:
Ian I am curious why you think this is an excellent decision and your backing for following school rules? And would welcome your reasons behind your statement. Is this:
a) you believe in education and that every school day matters and that you now see the errors of your ways in that you yourself only achieved two O levels in your secondary schooling and therefore wish our current students to do better than you did.
b) you want to have your holidays without any children about, you did post two such post in the past week or so - how there might be a half term in June and the shocking state of affairs in the Easter holiday, quote: how are we expected to be able to plan to avoid these periods if they keep chopping and changing
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Ahhhhh yes Corners, see what you mean now.
Alas, it is your memory that is failing. What I actually said is that a friend and I spent a whole maths lesson trying to remember and write down the words to American Pie......and I'm pleased to say that we did it, even the tricky last couple of verses
........and still managed a top grade at maths O level!On your second point - yes, of course education is important and that's why this case has reinforced the law requiring parents to keep their kids in school during term time. That said, I did alright with my two O levels.......at least I didn't have to get by on a teacher's wages, eh?
Don't worry too much about the slander - I may decide not to sue
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When I read the original post in this thread I had hoped it would concentrate on the Club element of how they might help the situation. Clearly the majority replies have concentrated on the case and the reasons behind it. As such this topic belongs in General Chat rather than in Caravan and Motorhome Chat which is where I am now moving it to.
David
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Really, now charge more during school holidays? That's what they already do! Off peak prices are also lower too! Can't see how that helps us retired folk, particularly those of us who take our grand children away to help parents who are working!
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given that taking children out of school is now a criminal offence.
I really hope you are not giving this wrong advice in your CAB work Ian. Allow me to educate you yet again:
The decision makes clear that parents in England can be fined if their children miss school without the agreement of the head teacher, except for reasons such as illness or family bereavement.
( As chair of governors I'll be countersigning my head's agreement for an approval for a family holiday tomorrow)
Also: The judges ruled that the interpretation of "regular" attendance, at the centre of this long-running dispute, should be decided by the school.
From what I have been discussing with the legal department (at coffee over another meeting) of the local authority this could actually work against the government as if a school sets its definition of regular as say 98% then a child could legally miss 2% of a school year. Unlikely to happen regarding Ofsted of course.
Anyway I'm looking to bring this in for teachers at my school:
A head teacher has defended his decision to offer staff at a Lincolnshire school a "duvet day".
Bill Lord sets aside £3,500 from his annual budget to pay for the extra holiday for everyone at Long Sutton Primary School in Spalding.
He said it was about both recruiting and keeping "fantastic teachers in front of children".
A 'duvet day' is an absence which can be approved by the employer with no reason given
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There is a law. Someone broke it. They got the specified penalty. And that is all there is to it. Or are we as individuals to be able to decide which laws we are to obey and which to ignore? There are quite a few I would like to have on an "ignore" list. Might be the same as yours, or might not.
Pricing of holidays is just market forces in action. The only way we would see the same price for everything all the time is called communism, and as I seem to recall the regimes that have operated that way actually found the regulation of prices in their economy was by often the commodity not being available. So a "black" market would operate at far higher profiteering prices. Yet it seems odd one can rent a small patch of grass in one's own country for about the same as a villa near the Mediterranian Sea.
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memory failing? well as I was saying to my wife only yesterday, oh hang on, no maybe Sunday?... sorry what was the question again?
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For the official standpoint see:
https://www.gov.uk/school-attendance-absence/overview
basically if you take your child out of school without the head's approval then you could get fined:
3. Legal action to enforce school attendance
Local councils and schools can use various legal powers if your child is missing school without a good reason. They can give you:a Parenting Order
an Education Supervision Order
a School Attendance Order
a fine (sometimes known as a ‘penalty notice’)
You can be given one or more of these but the council doesn’t have to do this before prosecuting you.Fine
Your local council can give you a fine of £60, which rises to £120 if you don’t pay within 21 days. If you don’t pay the fine after 28 days you may be prosecuted for your child’s absence from school.Check your local council’s rules on when you can be fined.
Prosecution
You could get a fine of up to £2,500, a community order or a jail sentence up to 3 months. The court also gives you a Parenting OrderOnly when you are successfully prosecuted are you a criminal. In my experience you really have to miss a lot of school before this happens.
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Which "her" is that? Or are we becoming sexist now?
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Glad he lost his case, speaking from personal experience after attending over a dozen schools and having long periods out due to travel (by troopships), education IMO is one of the most important aspects of growing and shouldn't be used as a football!
We all have had to put up with increased cost due to school holidays. OH work at a school for approx 25 years so even when we had no children at school we still had to pay higher prices. We can still only go away at school holidays as Mrs One is committed to looking after other people's children as a cub and beaver leader.
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Rather than analyse what the law does and doesn't allow, spend time trying to get headmaster's permission, worrying about how much the fine might be, comparing that to how much they might save on that luxury holiday.........perhaps parents should just instead think of their kids' education and leave them in school?
And then book a holiday during the school holidays that fits their available cash?
Just a thought.
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But what happens if parents can't take time off during the school holidays?
Oh, and Ian, don't use sexist language, headmaster's permission - I do believe that there are female heads now
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Regardless of the pros and cons of taking children out of school it is clear there are a lot of inconsistencies on how the policy is applied across the country. Perhaps this case will eventually galvanise the Government into action so that there is a fair system countrywide so there are no ifs or buts?
David
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Saw in today's papers that some MPs think that there should be a cap on the higher amount that can be charged for holidays during peak times compared to non peak, one said no higher than £1000 of the lower price.
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It seems that the tenor of the argument is that "every school day is very important to a child's education". So why is it at my grandson's school, if he or any other child throws up, (and we all know this can and does happen for no other reason than bolting food etc), his school insists that the child is kept absent for a period of 48 hours. Parents usually know if a child is genuinely unwell and they should be the better judge of whether to keep the child away from school. Yes, it can be a forerunner of something more serious but usually it is not. Every day at school important? It seems that there are double standards here.
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Amazing how holidays and finances have changed, I can't think that my own grandparents would have taken me to a Caribbean Island let alone a winter holiday. Sad to think that some still don't have holidays at all. Some things need to be put in perspective.
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I believe that if a holiday cost per person whatever in January or the lowest price, then it couldn't cost more than whatever + 1000 in July/August.
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I think that's bit different, children should attend unless there is a valid reason and throwing up could be deemed a valid reason? Also this approach is usually for primary children and when it happens at school. If there is a vomiting or 'other end' bug going about the school wouldn't want that to spread.
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I'm not convinced by the argument that a week off school during term time is so detrimental to education. When I was ten years old I was in hospital for seven weeks with TB. I still passed the 11+ a year later despite not having any work sent in to the hospital whilst I was there. Seven weeks is a long time when you're ten😱
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what happens if you don't have any kids ?? I don't and many years ago my now ex husband had a job that closed down for set holidays at peak times so we had to pay extra for hols all the time until he left the job, I didn't start this thread for folk to slate each other or the education system but the clubs practice of stretching the peak periods is frustrating if i want to take a week off work in early July before the school holidays peak rates start 30/6 here in Yorkshire at the most popular sites Brid is £22.40 just for me per night and York £22.80 that's only 2 I quickly looked at ,not having facilities in my TINY camper limits me going to site without them for long as I need to be able to shower especially if it's hot so going away when it's cheaper rates means not being able to go in the summer months when it should be warmer !!!
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GC, I do sympathise, but it has been said before. Using Club Sites, as a single person during peak periods is not the most economic way to take a holiday, particularly at York and Bridlington. My OH had some nights away on his own last year, in our small MH, and just did some research and found sites to suit his requirements and price ceiling and then booked or visited accordingly. Quite a few, once he mentioned he was alone in a small outfit offered him a discount. They could, because unlike the Club, they had the flexibility. There are lovely CLs, small private sites, at a fraction of the cost of Club Sites, and some even better deals if you book late and get a discount.
The Club doesn't cater well for small, single occupancy outfits at peak times. They don't have to, because they can get far more money from families and multi occupancy outfits utilising the same space and facilities. This is just sound business opportunism. Conversely, in off peak periods, the Club offers some absolute bargains for those who seek them out, often cheaper than a lot of CLs with comparable facilities.
Edit: a quick look at CLs in the York area has just thrown up three lovely CL, all not far away from city. Two have loos and showers, third has a free outdoor swimming pool. All are under £20 per night, two well below!
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