Late Night Arrivals
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Because there is no ability to book an LNA independently you will have to contact the site. Quite rightly the wardens who know the site and latest situation best will be able to use their discretion as to how best to use these facilities. Worth phoning ahead to establish if it is possible but don't forget, most sites will have only one and some won't have one at all!
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Hi All
Just to clarify, as a few posters appear to have not seen earlier posts.
I posted on here because I couldn't get hold of the site staff on Sunday, so wondered if this had occurred with anyone else before, whilst I waited to hear from site staff.
I will not leave work early enough to stop elsewhere on route, except services, which I am quite happy to do if necessary, and don't want to take any extra time off as it will affect others at work, who have children, and it's half term.
I said at the beginning that I was happy to pay to add the Wednesday to my booking.
I asked in the initial post if I was allowed. I got many opinions which was fine, and expected, but I was after anyone who knew if it was allowed.
A very early post turned out to be from a warden. It said 'The LNA is there solely for some one with a booking who for whatever reason can't make it to site by 20.00, not for an early arrival the next day.
This seems quite clear to me - as long as you are booked in for that day, you may use the LNA if you arrive after 20.00, for WHATEVER reason. That means that as long as I booked Wednesday it was OK. He stated this was his brief from the club. But he then went on to say that he felt what I was doing was selfish to someone with a genuine delay. I felt this was a bit harsh as I was asking if it was allowed, and quite happy to pay. He re-iterated that he felt it was selfish. His opinion, that's fine, but strange in my opinion as he had quoted the CC briefing him that it was allowed, for WHATEVER reason, provided I had booked.
TodayNigelASh quoted rule 14B above, and again it seems quite clear.
I don't think I'm being selfish, I paying for it and the CC say I can do it.
And guys its Valentines Day, so play nicely
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But have you actually established whether it is feasible on this occasion? That's the crux of it! The warden will clearly have to manage the use of the LNA (see my previous post) or are you just taking the chance and 'winging' it? You may be caught out if you do and end up with a rather unsavoury situation possibly with other members who have a real need. You may of course just get lucky! What if they arrive first and take up that last one? The best way is to work with those that know best, phone ahead! Love and respect your fellow members on this day particularly!
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mickysf
I agree completely, but as I've said, I couldn't get an answer at the time so asked. If people had said Rule X states LNA are for late check-ins due to unforeseen emergency etc I'd have known.
The problem has arisen because some people have presumed, wrongly it would appear, that the LNA area is only for late arrivals due to unforeseen circumstances etc. According to rule 14b you can intend to use the LNA area. But then why is a warden telling me I'm selfish ?
As I've said in an earlier post I shall phone the site before 5pm on the Wednesday and let them know I shall be late. If it turns out to be a problem I'll stay at the motorway services on route. There doesn't really seem much point asking the site before Wednesday, how do they know what will happen until the day. ( Perhaps I can ask them to reserve a space In the LNA ......... calm down everyone it was just a joke, we all know the ' reserving a pitch' argument.
I accept there is no guarantee of a space, and its my risk.
Cheers
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So are you willing to risk possible 'confrontation' with other members and those that run the site? You really need to keep trying to establish the possibility of using the LNA before arrival! I've never failed to talk with site staff when I've needed to! Or, if no space is visible on arrival, are you just going to turn round and disappear very quietly into the night with no one knowing about your plight. Not the way many of us would want to start our holiday but best of luck to you and those you 'bump' into! Cheers!
Please understand we are trying to help!
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micksf
Let's agree to disagree, as we seem to be going round in circles.
As I said in my last post, and I've said in earlier posts, I shall phone at 5pm on Wednesday to speak to site staff. If they have other late arrivals and may not have space I can either call back later, or just stay at the services, if they are clocking off. If they have people sorted and space on the LNA I'll stay at the LNA. It doesn't seem that difficult to me.
How can they possibly know what the situation will be tomorrow, until tomorrow ?
Suggesting confrontation etc seems a bit OTT.
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That's fine but they won't know until the very last 'normal' expected arrival has touched down which, according to the booking system, could be as late as 8:00pm! But yes, as you state, you must establish possibility and let them make the call! That's all I'm suggesting! And I think you too! The only confrontation, as I've stated could only happen if one doesn't contact them but you are!
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This above is the first response to the OP regarding his question & it's been repeated several times throughout this thread ring the site contact the warden & speak directly to those that actually run the site & get their advice.
Having tried on Sunday & failed why wouldn't you perhaps continue until you get through.
I fear it's been a complete waste of time of all the members , who have tried to help/advise the OP , I'm afraid the die was cast & regardless of any common sense advice given , he clearly is going to do his own thing & the question was basically just to sound out the forum .
IMHO
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compass362
You are no doubt right, and I probably do lack common sense. I'm probably a bit of an idiot because I haven't followed the views of certain posters. But I shall follow one piece of advice from this forum and its shown above. NEVER ASK A QUESTION ON CT.
And tell me, if you were running a site and someone phoned on Monday to ask if you had space in your LNA late on Wednesday evening, what would you say to them ?
Because I know my answer
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Well said, Onepjg. Great post.
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onepjg, you have been respectful in your posts on here, you have kept your cool & you have compromised. It's a pity you've not been shown the respect you deserve. This is a valuable lesson for you, save yourself this level of animosity in the future by not bothering to expect help from certain quarters. I wish you well, it's been refreshing to read your posts
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I hope no one views my posts as adversarial, they certainly have not been meant to be. What I've tried to do is illustrate the possible issues associated with using LNAs as part of one's pre planned holiday.
As previously pointed out there is no facility available for us to independently prebook or reserve one. Although there is a possibility that one may be vacant, they can't always be guaranteed even with the best will in the world until the very last booked arrival has safely touched down. Yes, one could phone ahead and enquire if one is available but that status would only apply to that snap shot in time, not the future. Even then only a probability not a guarantee could be offered.
My concern however is that if this practice becomes common place then potentially the LNAs will become increasingly used by those of us as a cheap overnight on route stop off, to empty out and fill up and be on our way in the morning having paid a much reduced fee. All 'we' would need to do to achieve this is do as the OP suggests, that is book for that day/night and then phone up saying we will no not be arriving until very late and therefore want to use the LNA. This would suit quite a few motorhomers/campervaners down to the ground mind and would be totally acceptable according to some folks interpretation of the rule. However, this use may well be to the detriment of those of us who do have an unfortunate unplanned hold up and do, through no fault of our own, have a real need for an LNA.
The above is not meant to upset anyone but is provided to provoke. Provoke thought, consideration and friendly discussion that is, no more!0 -
Dog with a bone.
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As I posted a couple of days ago, it all revolves around the definition of LNA. Is it a facility to allow "late arrivals" or an emergency facility to accommodate those beset by unforeseen circumstances?
Rule 14b would suggest the former but that is then problematic for someone beset by scenario B.
Is there sufficient demand for sites to provide a number of pitches in a remote corner to avoid disturbance specifically for "planned late arrivals" subject to payment being made in advance? I could see such a facility being particularly attractive to MHomers.
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I must agree with mickysf and I think JK. What ever the rights and wrongs and whatever various regulations may say, logic dictates that the LNA 's should only be used for unplanned emergency late arrivals. To do otherwise could lead to chaos, with multiple vans phoning at 5 pm telling the warden they are going to be late and using LNA. Given the CC's first come first served policy, someone would have to be dissapointed.
In my opinion it would be grossly unfair if someone, possibly with young children, who had suffered a traumatic blow out, changed the tyre on the side of the road and not arrived till 9:30, then had to turn away because someone else had planned to use the facility and was already there.
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I have similar concerns to Micky in that using LNAs in the way suggested by OP could lead to abuse.
Personally I felt that the OP should have contacted the site at the start of the week to confirm that the proposed, planned, late arrival as outlined was acceptable in principle. That is just my personal view however and the action that I would have taken rather than presenting the wardens with a fait accompli.
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Hi everyone,
With regards to the LNA, as previously stated by NigelAsh:
b. If you're going to arrive after 8pm on the day you've booked in, please arrange a later arrival time with the site staff in advance, otherwise your booking may be cancelled. If you intend to use a late night arrival area, please let the site staff know in advance.
I would suggest that onepjg calls ahead to the site to discuss with the Warden.
I'll be closing this thread now as it seems to have descended into argument. Please could I remind everyone to consider the Community Guidelines when posting.
Thanks
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