Late Night Arrivals
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I think the mistake here is more one of misunderstanding. What we are trying to do is help understanding and eliminate any possible embarrassing and awkward situations. If LNAs should commonly become used for those pre-planned late arrivals then why not do away with them completely and have additional standard bookable pitches.
No, the LNA pitches as they currently exist are 'run/managed' for the benefit of all members who have legitimate unfortunate and unforeseen circumstances on route.
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As well as queues at 12 noon for the main site perhaps we can look forward to queues at 8 pm for the late night arrivals area .
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The problem with relying on the late night arrivals area is that there will only be one or two of them and it is first come first served. Essentially this means you cannot rely on them being free although the odds should be in your favour.
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Can’t see the problem here. The original poster has said he is willing to pay and is not after a free night, so if the Wednesday night is paid for and he turns up late what’s the issue?
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Hi IanH
As I wasn't needed at work on the Thursday or at the weekend I decided to take the Friday off and have four days away during half term.
My question asked if I was allowed to stay at the LNA area. It would appear that no one knows the actual answer, as it's opinions that are being expressed, as far as I can see. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it is a democracy we live in. It appears to me that some don't see the issue and others do, with overall more people negative than positive. If someone had said the CC states that etc then I would have confirmed it and followed it. micksf has stated something relevant if you look at his last post, and I have asked if it is fact or opinion, as sometimes the two are confused.
So I haven't ignored all the answers.
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Apologies onejpg as I didn't mention that I am a CC warden, if you read my posts on this thread again you might see things slightly differently.
JK
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Thanks DaveFL2.
How do you actually read that post. To me it says that CC policy is that the LNA is 'for someone with a booking who for whatever reason can't make it to the site by 20.00. If I have a booking, but can't make it to the site by 20.00, because I leave at 19.00 and at it takes me four hours, then based on that statement of 'for whatever reason' I am entitled to use it. However later in the post he talks about a genuine delay being unfair ' in his mind'. Is this him or the CC policy ? If it's CC policy then it directly contradicts the previous sentence.
I take on board your point about chance but what about when you are touring, without booking, which many people do. Its the same risk maybe ?
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It is what we have previous been told is the purpose of LNA areas and my experience. I guess until the very last expected arrival is safely tucked up on pitch the wardens will not know if there is a genuine need or not to keep the LNA available. Don't forget we do have to indicate our expected arrival time on booking! Of course it would make sence and be common curtesy to enquire as to possibilities of a later arrival several days in advance and then check at just prior 8:00pm on day of arrival to see if circumstances have changed and availability/possibility is there. Also it would only be right and proper to inform of a deviation from our booked stipulated time of arrival.
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onejpg,
The fact is that you came on this forum for members advice, most of which it seems hasn't been favourable to you. I'm a member and also a warden I've tried to give advice factually.
You've openly said that you've no intention of arriving on the Wednesday but would book that day to use the lna. Myself and other members have tried more than once to say that that isn't what the lna is for and yet you're happy to ignore the advice offered and openly play the system.
On my last post I mentioned that the advice from the staff that manage Broadway site would be the most appropriate as they may be able to accommodate in some way.
If you wish I can contact Rochelle to highlight this thread to the area manager so it can be discuused with site staff?
Jk
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I look upon and have understood the LNA to be the provision for unintentional use such as breakdowns etc as your approximate 'time of arrival' is asked at booking, and not intentional use where you actually know you will be late and perhaps stating your 'time of arrival' as 11.00pm for example, or knowingly putting in a time that is not attainable.
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If you book Wednesday but arrive after 8pm then you are a late night arrival and therefore you can use the LNA area entering the site to find a pitch once the wardens have opened reception and you have paid your bill. Not really sure what the problem is or why you even asked the question in the first place?
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If you read the whole thread it will become apparent.
Roll on the day when the LNA's are taken away!
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I think some rule watchers on here would like anyone arriving late to be interrogated. Why are you late? Are you late on purpose? Was it an accident? What time did you leave home? Where do you live? Have you folded your pyjamas neatly and put them in the drawer marked pyjamas?
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I get paid to watch those rules though eurotraveller, well not the pyjamas one though!
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I would agree if you fully intended to turn up at your expected and stipulated time (8:00pm being the latest) but if you had no possibility or no intention at all of making that time then there is a potential problem, or probably several problems for you and maybe others of your making! If you just turn up after the last arrival time of 8:00pm with no discussion, request or agreement then you run the risk of some disappointment and difficulties and frustration not to mention anger.
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The whole point Deleted User User is that it's good to talk and common curtesy to do so. Ask, explore possibilities and seek advice but to just make it up and hope for the best is fraught with problems (this had been suggested) and is not in the best interest of anyone. Just ask the site staff in advance, you may not get exactly the answer you want but they just may be able to help in some way.
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Based on the original post, it would seem to suggest a journey time of approx. 4 hours indicating a departure time the previous evening of 19.30 if anticipating arrival at 23.30.
An obvious option is to find a CL or convenient lay-by sufficiently past the M25 to avoid your commute-time bottleneck.
Much of this thread revolves around the the understanding and definition of a LNA pitch. Is it an "emergency" facility or is it a "temporary" one intended merely to avoid disturbing the main part of the site? If the definition is the latter, then it is perhaps on a par with "ferry pitches". Is there a need for "late night" pitches that could be pre-paid? Much to ponder.
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The only thing that would surprise me David is if the OP had not been able to contact the site warden by now to discuss.
I have no idea where the LNA are on the site in question nor whether the 11pm+ arrival will disturb anybody.
What is this 'late night staff' David? I cannot recall any UK site that employs 'late night staff' other than for emergencies.
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