Pity those Londoners

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  • JVB66
    JVB66 Forum Participant Posts: 22,892
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    edited January 2017 #32

    A drive of 70 miles is nothing, as those who commute daily to London from as far away as Newark and have moved there to get a "better life"

    Or those who have to drive to work in any area ,including the Home counties,and spend hours in their cars,

    The transport links have improved dramatically since i used to commute by car from Sheffield,and would be even better in all areas if a certain Mr Beeching was not instructed to shut huge amounts of the railway system

     

  • IanH
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    edited January 2017 #33

    I have no problem with closing the railways......they are 19th century technology and, unless you happen to live close to a station that has trains that actually go somewhere that you need to go, rather pointless.

    So that rules out much of the population.

    Money needs to be spent on roads......not on that old fashioned system of rails.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited January 2017 #34

    Not sure that part of the population that makes in total 1.65 billion rail journeys a year would agree!!! In some parts of the country they are actually undoing Beeching and rebuilding the lines.

    Of course all sorts of transport needs to be supported including roads but so do local bus routes.

    David

  • cyberyacht
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    edited January 2017 #35

    Imagine how much more crowded our roads would be if we 'didn't' have public transport. For all their shortcomings, trains are an efficient mass transit system.

  • Justus2
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    edited January 2017 #36

    I honestly cannot remember when I last chose to go anywhere by train from here.

    In the sticks, it just isn't practical, overall is much slower, and very very expensive compared to 2 people in a car going door to door.

    Very different nearer the bigger cities I am sure, and I imagine most rail jouneys involve bigger cities and or longer distances.

    Oh and buses.. our last bus is at 6pm, very handy indeed.

  • IanH
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    edited January 2017 #37

    So, my drive of 1.5 hours each way (provided there was no snow, roadworks, accidents, diversions, unexplained delays etc).......so basically, nearly always longer every day, was 'nothing'.

    But if Londoners have it for the odd day, that's a national disaster.

    Yeah, that's fair.

  • JCB4X4
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    edited January 2017 #38

    The UK's transport problems that vary both in degree and complexity, largely stem from the closure of large parts or the Rail Network.  This was supposed to be accompanied by the development of a Road Network, which would be capable of replacing and sustaining the requirements of a Modern Industrialised country.

    This has yet to happen.   

  • Firedragon
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    edited January 2017 #39

     

    I just wish someone would come up with a road surface that didn't constantly degrade within minutes of it being laid - you'd think in this day and age..!

    Alison

     

  • triky auto
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    edited January 2017 #40

    wink The new 'Thanet Way A299  ' IS being done Alison!! Coast bound between Feb'& March.Other parts are being attended to on the other side from last week .HOOORAY !!laughing.

  • Navigateur
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    edited January 2017 #41

    Please be fair to Dr Beeching.  He did not close a single piece of railway.  He produced a report for the Board of British Railways, which gave a number of operational options. It was the Board that chose to close down the small lines that fed the larger ones, and to remove "duplicate" main lines - both of which are desperately needed nowadays.

    Railways are not suited to the "one man, door-to-door" journeys that society has become used to since WWII. They are ideal for moving large amounts of bulk traffic on a regular schedule over fair distances, whether the commodity be oil, freight containers, or commuters.

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2017 #42

    I have his report ,both volumes, and agree he was not responsible for closing the vast amounts of the rail network,but the report made "good" reading for Ernest Marples (who was well into his roads),and in some areas was needed,but a lot those that were closed were done without real thought to the future "hindsight comes to mind",

    I remember when the electrified Woodhead Route between Manchester and Sheffield was put up for closure, when the traffic survey was conducted ,a large amount of the traffic that normally used the route,was rerouted because of a "shortage" of the electric locos because they needed modifications to enable them to work in multiple mode as the loads were getting heavier, "merry go round" trains needed for the power stations,and even though when the "enquiry" was held the maintenance staff at at Manchester proved the over inflated figures given by BR were wrong "politics" still closed it,and look now at the pressure to reopen it as a much better route than what is in use now  

  • Firedragon
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    edited January 2017 #43

    aah, but how long will it last for Pete ? We both know they have to patch Thornden Wood road EVERY year surprised and that doesn't have the same traffic level on it at all !

    Alison

  • IanH
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    edited January 2017 #44

    Contractors will always build to minimum standards if they can get away with it.

    Trouble is, the Highways Agency let them get away with it. To do otherwise would require interrupting their tea drinking.

  • IanH
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    edited January 2017 #45

    Interesting.......this post has had 32 'views' and 44 'posts'.

    How does that work then? undecided

  • IanH
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    edited January 2017 #46

    Duplicate