Truma Blown Air Heating – Lagging the external hose
We have a Bailey Pegasus II Verona Caravan which has about 2 metres of air ducting located beneath the caravan floor which enables the Truma Blown Air system to be connected to outlet vents in the front seating area. We have found that when the outside air temperature is low then the air being discharged from these front vents is no more than a cold draught and as a result we close them off and let the heat from the rear outlets permeate through to the front. Utilising this method takes quite a while to get a pleasant overall temperature and is less than satisfactory.
There have been a number of threads on the Club Together forums about this issue and the remedy appears to be the application of some pipe lagging to the external ducting. Why this isn’t being done by the manufacturer seemed to be at best an oversight on their part or more realistically probably a cost saving measure. Then again maybe they don’t know that the construction method used causes a problem to the end users.
In order to get some idea about this I spoke with the nice people from Bailey on their Stand at the recent NEC show and asked about why the external ducting was causing the air to cool down so much to the point where it was actually quicker to heat up the caravan interior by closing off the front seating area vents and why the external ducting wasn't insulated as standard with the pipe lagging. Their response was that the external hose if double walled and although black coloured on the outside surface of the outer hose, the inner surface of this cover is shiny. This method of construction is supposed to limit the cooling effect on the warm air flowing inside the inner duct by the cold air outside the caravan. We then went on to discuss the “Climatic Chamber” test; which it turns out is only looking to see if the interior temperature reaches an overall acceptable level within the required timescale and does not factor in the comfort effects of having cold air being discharged if the front seating area vents are open. It would appear from the response received that it was the first time that anyone had bothered to ask that particular question. So that made me wonder who dreams up the testing regime and also if there are other tests being carried out which do not consider the realistic operation and use of the caravan.
So after getting hold of some of the appropriate sized lagging (it comes in 2 metre lengths) I decided that it was time to remedy the situation and hopefully get a comfortable caravan that would allow use of all the air vents irrespective of the outside air temperature.
So after disconnecting the complete external duct assembly with the plastic end fittings which go through the caravan floor by removing the 2 screws at each elbow, there were a few cable ties which needed to be cut too. I then found that the hose had been squashed between the caravan axle and the caravan floor (the gap is too small for the hose to fit through without distorting it). It would appear that the duct must have been in place in the floor assembly when it was attached to the Chassis.
I would also guess that having this deformed section of the ducting is allowing the heat to transfer to the outer hose directly which then acts as a radiator due to the nice matt black surface. This also prevented me from removing the assembly without incurring extra damage to the ducting. Unfortunately it had the knock on effect of having to work entirely underneath the caravan and also it prevented the lagging from being installed in one continuous length without any cutting.
In order to install the lagging I had to cut the insulation across its length in the correct position in order to push it on from each end up to the point where the axle sits. Profiling the cut end by careful shaping at the point where the Axle was squashing the outer duct and preventing the lagging going on any further I was able to get the vast majority of the outer hose covered. When this was done I used cable ties to minimise the chance of the edges lifting; the end fittings were reattached to the underside of the caravan floor and the ducting held firmly in place with cable ties at the locations where it was secured originally.
The testing time came recently when we used the van for a 3 nights at Grafham Water, the difference was very noticeable. We now get warm air out of the front seating area outlets rather than a cold draught.
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I bought the lagging from a place in Manchester; they have an shop on e-bay which apparently does not charge postage and packing but strangely the cost is much higher than if you get it directly from the Trade Counter.
Ryan Air Conditioning Spares is the company name; the product is Armaflex 80mm Pipe lagging which is 13mm thick and comes in a 2 metre length, their product code is L378.
Address:Unit 3, Irlam Wharf Business Park, Irlam Wharf Road, Irlam, Manchester, Greater Manchester M44 5PN
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I tried the Screwfix Silver Foil pipe lagging on my Compass and it DID NOT work!! I suggest don't bother rwith it. I changed my van (not to cure the problem!!) and bought a Swift. It seems better, BUT the same type of pipe runs under the van!!!! I wonder
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Spanner we had the Verona also, (now sold) and I wish I had read this before. We found the same problem but not the solution. Your engineering mind clearly realised an issue to a poor blown air system. There are probably a lot more out there who may have not read this and will be kicking themselves if and when they read it.
We have a Swift with the Alde heating system, just brilliant.
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I made a ply box lined with polystyrene which fitted over the exposed pipe and screwed up into the underside of the van.
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I made a ply box lined with polystyrene which fitted over the exposed pipe and screwed up into the underside of the van.
...Well CY that looks very proffesional....and serves a dual purpose of allowing you to smuggle illegal immigrants into the country too
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I`d just like to say , what brilliant idea`s you have both come up with .I really don`t understand how manufacturers think piping on the outside with still carry warm air ! We have just changed our van so don`t know what it will be like in cold weather ,but
now reading these posts i`m sure John will be able to do some diy, thanks guys ,really usefull as always.0 -
I`d just like to say , what brilliant idea`s you have both come up with .I really don`t understand how manufacturers think piping on the outside with still carry warm air ! We have just changed our van so don`t know what it will be like in cold weather ,but
now reading these posts i`m sure John will be able to do some diy, thanks guys ,really usefull as always....Deb, thanks for the compliments...hope John manages to get your caravan sorted before the cold weather comes on again.
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