CLs with Glamping

Harryt
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edited November 2016 in Certificated Locations #1

One of our granddaughters wants to go glamping with us in our caravan.The current search criteria for CLs does not allow one to search for glamping. Her family do not have any camping equipment such as sleeping backs so glamping facilities wiih everything
supplied is needed. I know that they exist as there is one near Stirling. However for this time we need one in either North Wales or the Lake District. Has anybody any ideas?  

Thanks

Harry 

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2016 #2

    You would possibly be better off using UKcampsites website, as they do have a "glamping" category. Glamping, living in yurts, purpose provided tents, pods, gypsy caravans, vintage caravans is often very expensive, but you might drop lucky and find something
    on offer. There is a lovely place called Potadoodledo just south of Berwick on Tweed that has yurts with stoves, and some pods I think. No idea if they take touring vans as well though. Struggling to think of a CL with glamping facilities on at the moment,
    but there could be some. Happy

  • ggregu
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    edited November 2016 #3

    Not in your preferred area, but I do know that Andrew and Sarah at Higher Bochym Farm on the Lizard have received PP for glamping yurts on their site. Think they are planned to be up and running next year. Great place if you can get a pitch! 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2016 #4

    Just had a quick look on UKcampsites. Dozens of venues, offering different things. Need to narrow down to your own preferences now.

  • gibbo456
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    edited November 2016 #5

    Wrong area (North Norfolk) but Barleywood does have a fully kitted out Shepherds Hut which has proved popular with people visiting their friends staying on the CL.

  • harryb
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    edited November 2016 #6
    Sorry if this is a bit late but we were here in September and the owner has just built a new pod. see my site report in the cl section.

     
    • MR M ABBOTT AND MRS G ROTHERAM

      Greenacre

      Overend Road

      Greysouthen

      Cockermouth

      CA13 0UA

    Please contact the CL direct to book

  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited November 2016 #7

    One of our granddaughters wants to go glamping with us in our caravan.The current search criteria for CLs does not allow one to search for glamping. Her family do not have any camping equipment such as sleeping backs so glamping facilities wiih everything
    supplied is needed. I know that they exist as there is one near Stirling. However for this time we need one in either North Wales or the Lake District. Has anybody any ideas?  

    Thanks

    Harry 

    By their very nature CL's would not be allowed Glamping units on the same site as the CL, you might be lucky and find a CL with such facilities on an adjacent site otherwise it will have to be a commercial site.

  • ValDa
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    edited November 2016 #8

    Here's the result of a search for 'Glamping' in the Lake District.  Reading down quickly at the start of the list, there are several which appear to offer both 'glamping' units (of various types) as well as camping pitches (such as this one) which has a pod.  Have a look and see what you think.

    I'm not sure they can strictly be classed as CL's but there are several places with just a few pitches so hopefully you will find what you want.

  • gibbo456
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    edited November 2016 #9

    One of our granddaughters wants to go glamping with us in our caravan.The current search criteria for CLs does not allow one to search for glamping. Her family do not have any camping equipment such as sleeping backs so glamping facilities wiih everything
    supplied is needed. I know that they exist as there is one near Stirling. However for this time we need one in either North Wales or the Lake District. Has anybody any ideas?  

    Thanks

    Harry 

    By their very nature CL's would not be allowed Glamping units on the same site as the CL, you might be lucky and find a CL with such facilities on an adjacent site otherwise it will have to be a commercial site.

    Mill
    House Farm CL

     

    Clearly has a Shepherds Hut on the CL

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #10

     

    By their very nature CL's would not be allowed Glamping units on the same site as the CL, you might be lucky and find a CL with such facilities on an adjacent site otherwise it will have to be a commercial site.

    Mill House Farm CL

     

    Clearly has a Shepherds Hut on the CL

    And clearly against the CL regulations, I am awaiting an answer from the CC.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2016 #11

     

    By their very nature CL's would not be allowed Glamping units on the same site as the CL, you might be lucky and find a CL with such facilities on an adjacent site otherwise it will have to be a commercial site.

    Mill
    House Farm CL

     

    Clearly has a Shepherds Hut on the CL

    And clearly against the CL regulations, I am awaiting an answer from the CC.

    So what's the difference between this and one that has a static caravan for hire by the CL? There are quite a few of them about.

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #12

     

    By their very nature CL's would not be allowed Glamping units on the same site as the CL, you might be lucky and find a CL with such facilities on an adjacent site otherwise it will have to be a commercial site.

    Mill House Farm CL

     

    Clearly has a Shepherds Hut on the CL

    And clearly against the CL regulations, I am awaiting an answer from the CC.

    So what's the difference between this and one that has a static caravan for hire by the CL? There are quite a few of them about.

    None whatsoever, all against the CL regulations.CL's are for five touring caravans/trailer tents or motorhomes for a max of 28 day and members only.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2016 #13

    But where does it say in the CL regulations that there can't be static accommodation on or close by the CL? Surely if there was some such rules these would have been pointed out to the CL owner by the site inspector?

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #14

     

    But where does it say in the CL regulations that there can't be static accommodation on or close by the CL? Surely if there was some such rules these would have been pointed out to the CL owner by the site inspector?

    Do you mean like the many instaces of CL overcrowding reported on this forum. often time and time again by the same perpetrators

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2016 #15

    They're transient and so may well be missed by the ispector where as static accommodation is permanent and so will definitely be spotted by on an inspection. Well one would hope so any way, as surely none of the inspectors can be that blind, could they?Wink

  • KeefySher
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    edited November 2016 #16

     

    By their very nature CL's would not be allowed Glamping units on the same site as the CL, you might be lucky and find a CL with such facilities on an adjacent site otherwise it will have to be a commercial site.

    Mill
    House Farm CL

     

    Clearly has a Shepherds Hut on the CL

    And clearly against the CL regulations, I am awaiting an answer from the CC.

    So what's the difference between this and one that has a static caravan for hire by the CL? There are quite a few of them about.

    None whatsoever, all against the CL regulations.CL's are for five touring caravans/trailer tents or motorhomes for a max of 28 day and members only.

    We are often asked by family members and friends who don't caravan / MHome are there accomodation options available in order for them to enjoy the same holiday with us rather than mainstream 'hotels' often miles away.

    Near a very popular theme park we use a previous CL, now a 15 pitch site that has 2 holiday cottages on site.

    In recent years more of our friends have bought caravans to enjoy this holiday hobby based on the experiences we have had over the years with both MH and now caravan.

    The downside is the perceived officiousness of the CC and the roolz for roolz sake.

    An additional accomodation at a CL seems a sensible way to encourage new entrants to this hobby and gives further support to the CL network. 

    Can't really be a bad thing, can it? Or are inflexible roolz and attitudes a good thing? Tongue Out

  • cyberyacht
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    edited November 2016 #17

    I don't think there is anything to prevent a CL from running a B&B /Holiday Cottage alongside. If it is to be a proper source of income, such a format would be almost essential as a CL is only ever going to provide 'beer money' at best.

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #18

    We are often asked by family members and friends who don't caravan / MHome are there accomodation options available in order for them to enjoy the same holiday with us rather than mainstream 'hotels' often miles away.

    Near a very popular theme park we use a previous CL, now a 15 pitch site that has 2 holiday cottages on site.

    In recent years more of our friends have bought caravans to enjoy this holiday hobby based on the experiences we have had over the years with both MH and now caravan.

    The downside is the perceived officiousness of the CC and the roolz for roolz sake.

    An additional accomodation at a CL seems a sensible way to encourage new entrants to this hobby and gives further support to the CL network. 

    Can't really be a bad thing, can it? Or are inflexible roolz and attitudes a good thing? Tongue Out

    I understand what you are saying but you have answered your own question inasmuch as you are quite at liberty to use a commercial site that has permission to accommodate more than five units and the CL owner is at liberty to get planning permission
    for a bigger site.The system of allowing planning exemption for up to five units is unique and would never be allowed now because there are many local councils etc just looking for an excuse to have it stopped so that they could take full control, if people
    carry on abusing this facility it will be the end for CL's.

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #19

    I don't think there is anything to prevent a CL from running a B&B /Holiday Cottage alongside. If it is to be a proper source of income, such a format would be almost essential as a CL is only ever going to provide 'beer money' at best.

    I am not referring to running a B&B /Holiday Cottage alongside but in the two CL' cited the extra units are clearly on the CL.

  • gibbo456
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    edited November 2016 #20

    One nights income from a Shepherds Hut equals 5 vans onsite, perhaps something like a Hut makes the CL more viable to run and would ensure that more CL's keep open for your enjoyment.  

     

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #21

    One nights income from a Shepherds Hut equals 5 vans onsite, perhaps something like a Hut makes the CL more viable to run and would ensure that more CL's keep open for your enjoyment.

     

    I am not disputing that but it should not be on the CL.When I enter a CL I expect to be one of  maximum of five because that is what I have paid for and those are the regulations.The CL owners have agreed to the regulations in order to avoid having planning consent then abuse the priviledge to the detriment of members.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2016 #22

    There are numerous CLs that also have a B&B 

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2016 #23

    One nights income from a Shepherds Hut equals 5 vans onsite, perhaps something like a Hut makes the CL more viable to run and would ensure that more CL's keep open for your enjoyment.

     

    I am not disputing that but it should not be on the CL.When I enter a CL I expect to be one of  maximum of five because that is what I have paid for and those are the regulations.The CL owners have agreed to the regulations in order to avoid having
    planning consent then abuse the priviledge to the detriment of members.

    Perhaps we could have a comment from a CL owner with one of these statics or shepherds huts regarding what they've been told or believe that the regulations allow. Or even better it would be good to hear from HO what the definite
    position is, and then either backup or refute what you believe the regulations to say, Vulcan.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2016 #24

    How many CLs have you used Vulcan, just out of interest? 

    After 30 years of using them, the length and breadth of the U.K, we have come across all sorts of combinations, where the owners have a small five van site, but then may offer visitors the option of holiday cottage, bed and breakfast, a pod, a yurt, a glamping
    tent, a gypsy caravan, a shepherds hut, a vintage glamping van, a small commercial site, a rally field or any combination of the above. All with the appropriate planning permission in place. Some even offer stabling for horses! Most of these places are extremely
    well run and welcoming sites, looking to make a decent go of running a business either as a sole venture, or supplementing farming with a bit of diversification. A quick look at either the owners website, or reviews elsewhere will tell you whatever is on site.
    Then you can decide if this is not a place you want to visit. So long as there are only five caravans or MH on the CL area, then what they are doing is perfectly within planning regulations.

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #25

     

    Perhaps we could have a comment from a CL owner with one of these statics or shepherds huts regarding what they've been told or believe that the regulations allow. Or even better it would be good to hear from HO what the definite
    position is, and then either backup or refute what you believe the regulations to say, Vulcan.

    I am still waiting for an answer from CC.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2016 #26

    That will take some time Vulcan, you could answer my question though to pass the time? I am just interested in your experiences, that's all. Agree that better if no more than five tourers on site, but other forms of holiday accommodation are very different,
    static.Happy

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #27

    How many CLs have you used Vulcan, just out of interest? 

    After 30 years of using them, the length and breadth of the U.K, we have come across all sorts of combinations, where the owners have a small five van site, but then may offer visitors the option of holiday cottage, bed and breakfast, a pod, a yurt, a glamping tent, a gypsy caravan, a shepherds hut, a vintage glamping van, a small commercial site, a rally field or any combination of the above. All with the appropriate planning permission in place. Some even offer stabling for horses! Most of these places are extremely well run and welcoming sites, looking to make a decent go of running a business either as a sole venture, or supplementing farming with a bit of diversification. A quick look at either the owners website, or reviews elsewhere will tell you whatever is on site. Then you can decide if this is not a place you want to visit. So long as there are only five caravans or MH on the CL area, then what they are doing is perfectly within planning regulations.

    For what it's worth I have been using CL's for approx 40 years. If you had read my posts properly you would see that I have no problem with CL owners having other business interests,quite the contrary, however I do not think they should be on the same site as a CL.Look at it logically,what is the point of legislating to only allow 5 caravans on a CL if you then allow a glamping pod etc on it, it makes a mockery of the regulations.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2016 #28

    Most of the none tourer type units we have seen are either sited slightly away from the tourers, or have a privacy hedge/fence/etc... around them. Folks booking them will be paying a great deal more than  a CL pitch fee, and discerning owners usually cater
    for this. Not stayed on a CL with separate Pods yet, but they are only a wooden walled tent, so wouldn't bother us. Heck, even the Club have invested in them to try and attract new users. We like innovation though.

  • Vulcan
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    edited November 2016 #29

    Most of the none tourer type units we have seen are either sited slightly away from the tourers, or have a privacy hedge/fence/etc... around them. Folks booking them will be paying a great deal more than  a CL pitch fee, and discerning owners usually cater for this. Not stayed on a CL with separate Pods yet, but they are only a wooden walled tent, so wouldn't bother us. Heck, even the Club have invested in them to try and attract new users. We like innovation though.

    But the 2 example links provided on here clearly show the pods etc on the CL.

    Here are some of the requirements when opening a CL

    You will be asked to agree to the following conditions

    • You can only take a maximum of 5 caravans, motor caravans or trailer tents at a time
    • Visitors must be members of The Caravan Club
    • Visitors must be touring for leisure with their caravan or motor caravan
    • No caravan or motor caravan should stay for more than 28 days at a time
    • Sites are for recreational use and not for storage or permanently sited vans
    • No tents on site
    • CL owners will be required to be Members of The Caravan Club

    How can having a pod etc on the CL comply with the first three requirements.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2016 #30

    The shepherds Hut at Mill House is a self contained unit with its own ensuite bathroom and plumbing, and very lovely it is as well. Rather enhances the beauty of the CL in my opinion. Hardly going to encroach on tourers facilities. Happy

    The one at Barleywood is in its own garden, again with its own facilities, so nothing to worry about. I am sure the owners will have had to get planning permission.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited November 2016 #31

    Is it just pods you object to Vulcan? There are lots of CL's that have small commercial sites adjacent, fenced off from 5 van area. Some have a CS or another CL area as well, all with seperate amenities. Some commercial sites set aside an area purely for
    CC members, again fenced off with own amenities. They are not unusual, that is the point I am trying to make. I do agree that if anything other than just 5 vans are on the site, it would make good sense for owners to let members know, as a few want exclusive
    use and may get upset if things aren't as expected. But most holiday accommodation "extras" enhance CLs and allow none touring family and friends to be together.