Barm Cakes

eyebrowsb
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edited November 2016 in Food & Drink #1

I know there are a few of us on here who make our own bread, but does anyone have a good recipe for Barm Cakes?  

I have found an old recipe my Nan used to make that includes fresh yeast, which is not widely available nowadays Sad

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  • JVB66
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    edited November 2016 #2

    If you have a half decent bakers in your area they may supply some, our local one does , as well as useing stone ground flower from our local water millSmile

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #3

    Thanks JVB Smile  No half decent bakers locally Surprised

  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #4

    Have you had a look at Paul Hollywood's Bread recipes, you might find it there. No bam cakes down this way, usuallly call them baps but they're made with ordinary yeast.

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #5

    Thanks brue Smile  I usually make all my bread with Doves dry yeast.  I'll have a look at Paul's recipes.  

    Just found this old recipe and wanted to recreate something I made with my Nan over 50 years ago Happy

  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #6

    My OH's grandmother used to make and sell Muffins, if only she'd  handed down the recipe! All we know is they were made with rosemary lard, which must have been unusual. Smile

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #7

    The recipe I have is made with lard Wink

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #8

    Technically it won’t be ‘Barm Bread’ unless you use ‘Barm‘ as the ‘Leavening Agent’

    WinkWink

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #9

    Thanks JCB ..... my OH does make his own beer, but not enough Barm to keep up with the amount of bread he eats Laughing

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #10

    As you have access to a small quantity of ‘Barm’  why not try this:

    1).Make-up a 'Batter' seeded with the 'Barm'.

    2) Make- up a ‘Sour Dough’ seeded with the 'Batter'.

     3) Make-up a 'Final Dough' to your required recipe seeded with the ’Sour Dough.

    4) Keep back a portion of the 'Final Dough' (as a 'Sour Dough' to seed your next Batch.

    Yes!!  this will take a little time but if enjoy making bread in the first place you will see this as a bit of a challenge.  Under the circumstances I think this is probably the nearest you will get to producing true ‘Barm Cakes’

    If you try this please let me know how things work out.

    CoolHappy

      

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #11

    Thanks again JCB Smile  Are you a professional baker? 

    I will try your method next time OH makes beer, although after just a few phone calls .... I have found fresh yeast!!  I can get 2 ounces for 19p Wink

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #12

    Thanks again JCB Smile  Are you a professional baker? 

     

    That was in another life many many years ago!  Smile Smile!

     

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #13

    So you were a professional baker then Laughing  Thought so ....

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #14

    Not for the last 50years but you don't forget things you were taught during a 'Proper Apprenticeship' they should try bringing them back IMO.
    Sad

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #15

    Lynnruby - have you ever used the 'Sourdough Method' to make ‘Sourbread’? If not you will find, as the name suggests the bread has a mildly sour taste, which some prefer and tends to keep a little better due to the 'Lactic Acid' produced during the fermentation
    process. Smile

  • ValDa
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    edited November 2016 #16

    I have made my own bread for years and years, by hand not by machine, and now my eldest son (who teaches four days for a living) makes and sells bread in his 'spare time'.  He uses sourdough, and his bread was second in the World Bread Awards 2016.  He also
    makes pastries (croissants, pain au raisin, pain au chocolat) and specialist  breads using a different recipe each week.  When he comes home he uses my home grown fruit to make amazing fruit tarts!

    He'd be interested to know how your 'Barm cakes' turn out if you do use the traditional 'barm' as a leven.  

    Just worked out, I started making bread in late 1988 when my ex-husband left me, and I had very little money.  I worked out that one two kilo bag of flour would make bread for us for a week, for just a few pence, so made four loaves and froze them.  I've
    been doing it ever since except when we're in France, because some of the bread is so much nicer there!!!)

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #17

    Thanks JCB and Val Smile  I did have a go at the sourdough method some years ago, but it seemed an awful faff at the time.  Now I have a bit
    more time, I should give it another try.  

    I just need OH to make some beer (goodness knows when that will be) to try making 'proper' barm cakes.  In the meantime, having now been able to find fresh yeast I'll try the old recipe I found.

  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #18

    Somewhere on the BBC Victorian Bakers series they showed barm being used, I saw it recently so it's probably on i player.

  • JillwithaJay
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    edited November 2016 #19

    If you want fresh yeast, try asking at your local supermarket bakery counter. I often go into ASDA and they actually give me some if I ask.  I make my own bread using Carr's flour which is fairly local to me in the north west of England.

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  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #20

    Thanks brue, I'll see if I can find that.

    Jill, I use Carr's flour as well, although the only place I can get it is Booths.  Non of the bigger supermarkets stock it here!  I had tried Morrisons for fresh yeast with no luck, I'll check with our local Asda, but I did manage to get some from good old
    Booths Happy

  • Bob2112
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    edited November 2016 #21

    If you want fresh yeast, try asking at your local supermarket bakery counter. I often go into ASDA and they actually give me some if I ask.  I make my own bread using Carr's flour which is fairly local to me in the north west of England.

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    Write your comments here...  Carr's had mills in Fife and Essex as well as Silloth but just a few months ago they sold the lot to Whitworth's . Hope they keep the Cumbrian mill running. It's ugly but it provides a few jobs. Whatever happens I'm sure it won't
    affect the taste of your buns.

  • ValDa
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    edited November 2016 #22

    Thanks JCB and Val Smile  I did have a go at the sourdough method some years ago, but it seemed an awful faff at the time.  Now I have a bit
    more time, I should give it another try.  

    I just need OH to make some beer (goodness knows when that will be) to try making 'proper' barm cakes.  In the meantime, having now been able to find fresh yeast I'll try the old recipe I found.

    I agree with your comment about sourdough.  I just couldn't be bothered with keeping the starter going by feeding it, but my son is a scientist, who teaches Chemistry to A level, and is fascinated by the science behind it, and measures and checks everything.
     He also uses a particular type of flour, and when making pastries mixes three different types of flour to get the right mix.

    I use Lidl bread flour.  It was unavailable for a time, but is now back on the shelves (but may not be over the Christmas period).  To me it makes the nicest, tastiest bread of any I've tried.  It's also cheaper than very many we've tried.    I use ASDA
    when I run out because we have a local one, and it's easy to pop down for a packet if I've none in the pantry.

    Try the Lidl when you next go in and see what you think.

  • Bob2112
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    edited November 2016 #23

    If you want fresh yeast, try asking at your local supermarket bakery counter. I often go into ASDA and they actually give me some if I ask.  I make my own bread using Carr's flour which is fairly local to me in the north west of England.

    Sorry it came out twice. 

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    Write your comments here...    Carr's had mills in Fife and Essex as well as Silloth but they recently sold the lot to Whitworth's. I hope that they keep the Cumbrian mill running. It's ugly but it provides a few jobs. Whatever happens I'm sure it won't affect the taste of your buns.

  • Goldie146
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    edited November 2016 #24

    I buy my bread flour in bulk from
    Shipton Mill
    .

    One reason I like it is that some flours use Engliah wheat.

    I make bread every night - but using a machine (sorry! to you purists out there). Different mixtures of flours and seeds as the mood takes me.

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #25

    Lynnruby

    The point of using 'Barm' and not ‘Baker’s Yeast’ is that as Barm is produced during fermentation using ‘Brewer’s Yeast’ which is a differing strain from ‘Baker’s Yeast’, the result when used in baking also differs. (Tasty, Tasty…)  Happy

    Why not check for ’Micro-Breweries’ in your area, as they are usually small business enterprises or community projects, they may be willing to let you have a some Barm, especially if you purchase a couple of bottles their liquid refreshment for OH.  (Win Win). Happy Happy

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #26

    Having now watched the Victorian Bakers on iplayer (thanks brue Wink)  Separating the barm from the beer dregs looked like a bit of a delicate
    procedure.  

    I noticed that they made a sponge from the brewers yeast.  I have done this a few times using dried yeast.

    All of the breads they produced seemed to have a crisp crust.

    The 'Barm Cakes' I remember from my childhood were light and fluffy with a very soft crust.  So, I'm not sure that Barm Cakes made from Barm is what I am trying to achieve Laughing

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #27

    Forgot to say .... yes, I did realise that they were using flour with a much lower percentage of protein/gluten than many of us use today Winking

  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #28

    I've enjoyed those programmes but the flour must have been quite different, bits of millstone in it too no doubt. I expect local flours are quite different.

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #29

    Having watched the Victorian Bakers I just wonder if you could culture your own yeast (barm) from the dregs in that unpasteurised real ale bottle?

  • eyebrowsb
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    edited November 2016 #30

    I would imagine you could micky, but not sure.

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #31

    Having watched the Victorian Bakers I just wonder if you could culture your own yeast (barm) from the dregs in that unpasteurised real ale bottle?

    You most certainly can- it is not unknown for forces Field Barkers to start a dough using a fresh bottle of 'Live Beer' if  but only if the absolute need arose!!!