Caravans being towed over the speed limit
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You two lorry drivers are drama queens thinking the world would end with less lorries on the road, the country would survive without you. Biggest problem is there are too many of you, foresight should have shifted a lot of freight onto a proper rail network
with local distribution, rather than a lorry load of whatever travelling the length of the country in close convoy.i suppose the petrol tankers strike a few years back, if you remember was drama then! country did come to a standstill so serious that legislation was put in place to use armed forces if it happened again maybe next time it might be food chain, love to see
your face when warden, tesco etc we have no bacon eggs tea milk or cereal, whats for brekkies then?0 -
This arguement will become interesting when the trial on 'driverless' road convoys gets underway. Just think a road train of 5 or more lorries travelling close to the front one which actually has a driver either passes you at 2mph more or worse still is
in the nearside lane when you need to get back in to take an exit. I don't mind lorries but just want each to have its own driver.0 -
You two lorry drivers are drama queens thinking the world would end with less lorries on the road, the country would survive without you. Biggest problem is there are too many of you, foresight should have shifted a lot of freight onto a proper rail network
with local distribution, rather than a lorry load of whatever travelling the length of the country in close convoy.i suppose the petrol tankers strike a few years back, if you remember was drama then! country did come to a standstill so serious that legislation was put in place to use armed forces if it happened again maybe next time it might be food chain, love to see
your face when warden, tesco etc we have no bacon eggs tea milk or cereal, whats for brekkies then?Write your comments here...Chocolate croissants?
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the bottom line is that we all use the road together and that is unlikely to change anytime soon,as a proffesional i take things seriously and try to drive in a manner that is applicable to the circumstances at the time, likewise i believe most motorhomers
and carravaners do after all their is a lot of money involved in the van or m/home that are using,not just that as vehicles get faster and faster,so will the drivers who own them will want to make use of power they have,add that to more and more vehicles on
the road with less and less tarmac to put them its a recipe for frustration and disaster we all need to take stock and as has been said before take action to look after yourself if this means slowing down for a second or two so be it,0 -
The problem is not caravans,hgv's,cars or any other form of transport.
its the person that drives them.
i find that whatever speed I am travelling at, there is always someone that must go faster and some are not polite in doing so.
It is a sad reflection of our current driving, but to many people are in to much of an hurry to get where there going with no regard for other road users.
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The problem is not caravans,hgv's,cars or any other form of transport.
its the person that drives them.
i find that whatever speed I am travelling at, there is always someone that must go faster and some are not polite in doing so.
It is a sad reflection of our current driving, but to many people are in to much of an hurry to get where there going with no regard for other road users.
Write your comments here...I know what you mean. The boss often puts pressure on me to go faster but I just ignore it and go at a speed that feels safe.
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Speed doesn't kill, it's the sudden stop..... however can someone tell me how driving at 80mph on an empty motorway at 5am on a dry sunny summers morning is dangerous and yet driving at 60mph in the dark, raining, foggy, freezing road surface is safe even
if theoretically legal?! There is only one driving offence needed and that is 'driving without due care and attention', all other offences can be scrapped and get rid of ridiculous and arbitrary laws that make 59mph legal and 61mph dangerous and illegal?which would be ok if there were traffic patrols around to enforce any of the laws that exist
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this thread seems to have drifted somewhat away from o/p about speeding caravans,it would be interesting to see what sort of group of people that speed are,ie are they members of the two main clubs or just simply go it aloners and does complacency come
into play, i remember when i first started carravaning only 8 years the first thing i did was join the cc and then spent several months researching,boy what an eye opener,first time out was a real nerve tingler, and should the clubs play a more responsible
role by putting out more information sheets perhaps in the monthly magazine reminding and,keeping members up to date?after all it is their image (and ours in the public eye)0 -
Some time back I attended an advanced motoring course and the police driving instructer who led the classroom sessions expressed the opinion that caravans should not be allowed on motorways as they were
an additional unnecesary risk. Reading some of the posts here I wonder if he might have had a point.Write your comments here...Most of the problems I've had with towing have been off motorway. Problems such as the caravan wheel getting punctured for hitting the kerb when turning on a narrow road. This doesn't happen on motorways with wide lanes and no
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I still find it very disturbing that some members of this forum clearly believe that they are above the law and it does not apply to them. - They are quite happy to state that they disagree with a particular limit, so use that as an excuse to justify ignoring it. Do they not understand that the law is the law and that it applies to everyone? Naturally, I do apologise to those other members of the forum who do recognise the rule of law.
The real issue is an almost complete abrogation by successive Govts to ensure that the laws of the land are complied with.
TF
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The problem is not caravans,hgv's,cars or any other form of transport.
its the person that drives them.
i find that whatever speed I am travelling at, there is always someone that must go faster and some are not polite in doing so.
It is a sad reflection of our current driving, but to many people are in to much of an hurry to get where there going with no regard for other road users.
Write your comments here...Your right about people in a hurry, Last night me and my Son took the Dogs for a walk to our local micro brewey, it is in a small industrial unit with a short access road outside. whilst sitting there we watched many cars driving
through the road to gain a 10-12 advantage in getting to the mini roundabout at the end of the road that runs along side the industrial units. Crazy?Ian.
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I still find it very disturbing that some members of this forum clearly believe that they are above the law and it does not apply to them. - They are quite happy to state that they disagree with a particular limit, so use that as an excuse to justify ignoring it. Do they not understand that the law is the law and that it applies to everyone? Naturally, I do apologise to those other members of the forum who do recognise the rule of law.
The real issue is an almost complete abrogation by successive Govts to ensure that the laws of the land are complied with.
TF
Tigerfish, you are an ex policeman, and so you are surely well aware of all the examples of lawbreaking and corruption by policemen over the years. Wasn't it an ex-chief of the Met who said it was his ambition to reach a point where there were fewer villains outside the force than he found inside? Your own police force was hardly whiter than white. I lost count of the number of officers there who were sacked. Don't preach to us about observing the law.
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You two lorry drivers are drama queens thinking the world would end with less lorries on the road, the country would survive without you. Biggest problem is there are too many of you, foresight should have shifted a lot of freight onto a proper rail network
with local distribution, rather than a lorry load of whatever travelling the length of the country in close convoy.I could be rude but I'll get banned.....
Suffice to say your not talking from your mouth.
Nothing and I mean nothing moves in this country without lorry's and that means us lorry drivers. Think of that when you get in your car, go to the supermarket, cloths shop ect ect ect oh and how did the parts get to your street to build your house.
There are some very poor lorry drivers, car drivers, motorcyclists, cyclists, all walks of life don't put all lorry drivers in the same box.
As for speeding the law is the law whether you like it or not. Does the max speed make it safe? NO but going faster will make it less safe as you have less time to react.
I'm gobsmacked how many think it's acceptable to drive over the speed limit, and I recon speeding with caravans is getting more and more common, please just don't crash in front of me
From a very insulted lgv driver trainer
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A few years ago everyone was complaining about caravans in lane 2 and 3 going up cleaveden back south bound, so the authorities decided one year to ban caravans from any lane other than lane 1 for the whole summer to help with the connection, guess what
it made no difference just like lorry's not aloud in lane 2. You are obviously more important as you don't want these lgvs on the road as they get in your way, oriceless0 -
I shall continue to drive within the legal limits, both towing and solo. I may drive under the speed limit if the road conditions warrant it.
I cannot see any argument for driving over the legal limit both towing and solo, and no one will convince me otherwise!
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I still find it very disturbing that some members of this forum clearly believe that they are above the law and it does not apply to them. - They are quite happy to state that they disagree with a particular limit, so use that as an excuse to justify ignoring
it. Do they not understand that the law is the law and that it applies to everyone? Naturally, I do apologise to those other members of the forum who do recognise the rule of law.The real issue is an almost complete abrogation by successive Govts to ensure that the laws of the land are complied with.
TF
Tigerfish, you are an ex policeman, and so you are surely well aware of all the examples of lawbreaking and corruption by policemen over the years. Wasn't it an ex-chief of the Met who said it was his ambition to reach a point where there were fewer villains
outside the force than he found inside? Your own police force was hardly whiter than white. I lost count of the number of officers there who were sacked. Don't preach to us about observing the law.Write your comments here...Appalling! This is an argument that has nothing to do with the current debate. Its an abrogation of responsibility for ones own faults. There are no excuses for breaking the law. The laws of this land are made in Parliament, not
by police officers and just because some (very few) bobbies don't hold on to the ideals of the Police Force, the argument that I can break the law because some police officers have is pathetic to say the least. As my dad used to say- 2 wrongs don't make a
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When I first started towing I thought that driving at 60 with the caravan would drive me mad. In fact I found it far more relaxing driving at that speed rather than 70 or more and having to keep swapping lanes to overtake, plus the time differentail was
negligable and the mpg far better. I thought caravanning was supposed to be a leisure activity after all. Your outfit might be really stable at 60+ but you get some idiot do something stupid right infront of you, as has happened to us before, and it's not
going to end well. The total disreagard the for law is astonishing.0 -
Having a satnav with built in camera tends to keep you within the speed limits 'cos the police can check it should you have an accident.I prefer to keep within the limits anyway solo or towing.
Mike
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. Dashcams or similar are superb.0 -
My Eriba is rock solid stable behind the Freelander at 70 mph+
Ive been chastized for mentioning towing at speed so will not fall into saying anything about 70 mph related to caravans . but I to know how stable my van is at + dont do it very often but getting past a load of lorries doing 56 can be a real pain and i
dont like staying out in the middle lane if something was to happen, no escape route . I think some seem to be obsessed with this limit and anything over will completely throw their van into an uncontrolled wobble that eventually turns them over, simply not
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I think the people who excuse there speeding with there various reasons are not going to be swayed by those who post on here. All I will say is you carry on, if you feel that drinking tea in your caravan ten, twenty possibly thirty minutes before me is worth
putting your car ,caravan, licence, insurance, lives and other peoples lives at an increased risk then you knock yourselves out because after reading the reasons I am truly convinced that you know best!0 -
This concept of a string of lorries just feet apart and only a driver in the first one sounds rather like the good old fashioned railway train.
As to it being "safe" to drive at the speed limit and "unsafe" at one mile per hour over it, think about the current experiment on the A9 where the limit for HGVs has been raised to 50mph. So today 50pmh is safe but after the experiment ends on a day with
with same traffic, weather and road conditions it becomes unsafe?There has also been an unexpected side effect. There are lots of signs advising of the experimental limit which consist of a few words of text beside the regulation circular "50" sign. Many vehicles for which the limit is actually 60mph are driven instead
at 50mph, presumable because the drivers can't understand. As a result there is still bunching and convoys as the lighter vehicles are blocked from making progress.0 -
Basically there can be no way of producing a speed limit for every class of vehicle as different vehicles of the same class will have different limits and you are also looking at what is safe for the others around that vehicle. Speed limits are not scientific,
they are simply a compromise based on a variety of opinions and which should be acceptable. Some people will always dissagree with them but it is an opinion at the end of the day.0
