Just give us a price
We are currently looking at upgrading our Moty. Yes we know we are not going to get the price we think it is worth and yes we also know that to sell Private would probably get us a better return but why oh why do we have to play these silly games with salespeople.....JUST
GIVE US THE PRICE 1ST TIME.....the latest saga over the last couple of days has increased by £6000 over 24 hours, ridiculous. If anything don't these people realise by doing this it can actually put people off (well us anyway), would they have been happy to
fleece us if we had accepted their 1st offer. I absolutely hate it, there seems to be no standard. Just be honest from the start, a small haggle at the end is fine when the deal is pretty much sorted but hikes of thousands of pounds ( and these are fairly
big companies) is not acceptable. It spoils something that should be exciting.
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When we traded in our caravan I already had a price in mind that I would accept ,more would be a bonus, so off we went ,found what we want ,how much for my trade in I said X said the salesman,up it by £500 and you have a deal , and they did ,so everyone
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Well they are to be congratulated indeed after our experience....the guy upped his offer £6000 yesterday before we had said yes or no to original pathetic offer, but it was a " do a deal now" offer, and still a little off what we had in mind to accept. We
know all about " topping and tailing " in the trade but I just hate this side of things. For us honesty and take it or leave it offers would go a long way.0 -
We agree with you and it seems to be the norm today for large purchases. Over time we have changed vehicles and caravans on a regular basis and have been fed up with the "if it was such and such model!" etc. We guess that some folks like the salesman challenge.
We don't and have better things to do. Good luck
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The trouble is, however much extra they offer you for the trade-in, that same amount will be taken off the discount that they would have given you for the new vehicle, had you not got a trade-in.
Whenever I buy a car now, I firstly agree what they will offer for the trade-in. They will press you on what model you are buying, but resist committing to one, until you've agreed a trade-in figure.
Then, with this figure in the back of my mind (and the option to sell it elsewhere if I think I could get a better price) I discuss what I'm thinking of buying and how much discount they will give me. Invariably, this will be after I've already sussed out
what the best possible deal is on-line.If they can't match the best price (with the option of trading in my old vehicle out being mine) then I walk.
You always have to be prepared to walk away.
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Same with the Toyota dealership in our town (don't know if it applies to all). But we went to the garage to look at their cars, both used and new. A salesman came over to us to help. We asked how much our car was worth. He said it depended on which car
we were interested in. We said to him that we were interested in most of the cars and would be dependent upon what our car was worth to what price we could afford. He was adamant not to give us a price. Other garages we've been to give us a price straightaway.
We just walked away. We even told the salesman that they had just lost a potential sale because of their stupid terms0 -
If you are a cash buyer or will perhaps take out a bank loan there is a very simple way to avoid all the silly nonsense at dealers. Say this and they will straight away realise you know the game as well as they do and they will stop all the horlicks unless they are truly brain dead.
Tell them what it is you want to trade in , tell them what you want to buy and say the magic words -
"What is your cost to change?"
By the way, never ever walk into a dealer to buy something (as opposed to just looking) without knowing exactly what it is you want. You will be nothing but cannon fodder and torn apart by the salesman.
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If you are a cash buyer or will perhaps take out a bank loan there is a very simple way to avoid all the silly nonsense at dealers. Say this and they will straight away realise you know the game as well as they do and they will stop all the horlicks unless
they are truly brain dead.Tell them what it is you want to trade in , tell them what you want to buy and say the magic words -
"What is your cost to change?"
By the way, never ever walk into a dealer to buy something (as opposed to just looking) without knowing exactly what it is you want. You will be nothing but cannon fodder and torn apart by the salesman.
exactly.....
i couldnt put hand on heart and actually tell you what i paid for my van, nor exactly what i got in part ex for the Bolero....
all i know was that the cost to change was more than acceptable...
if i took the full asking price of the new van with extras, then the part ex was way more than i paid for the van 5 yrs ago...
if i took the average part ex for the bolero, then i got more off the new van than most pay for a new caravan....
reality, somewhere in between, i guess, but who cares?
either way, i was delighted...
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If you want to swap your A class BB for my other half's Astra there would be (for you) no cost to change at all.
ill give that some serious thought..
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Most new car dealerships aren't really interested in your trade-in (unless it's only a few years old or less). They mainly just pass them on to a second hand car dealer.
They will usually pass on the price that they get (more or less) to you, but will inflate the figure if they think it will flatter you into buying a new car. But they will simply deduct that extra trade-in money from any discount that they would normally offer on the new car.
The trouble with a 'cost to change' approach is that you lose the option of taking your old vehicle elsewhere, if that would get you a better deal.
I would say that for most new cars, if you don't get at least 10% discount (ignoring any trade-in confusion) then you aren't really trying. We got about 20% off our Volvo.
Always use the internet (web based dealers) to find out what the true 'rock bottom' price for your particular model is.
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If you are a cash buyer or will perhaps take out a bank loan there is a very simple way to avoid all the silly nonsense at dealers. Say this and they will straight away realise you know the game as well as they do and they will stop all the horlicks unless
they are truly brain dead.Tell them what it is you want to trade in , tell them what you want to buy and say the magic words -
"What is your cost to change?"
By the way, never ever walk into a dealer to buy something (as opposed to just looking) without knowing exactly what it is you want. You will be nothing but cannon fodder and torn apart by the salesman.
exactly.....
i couldnt put hand on heart and actually tell you what i paid for my van, nor exactly what i got in part ex for the Bolero....
all i know was that the cost to change was more than acceptable...
if i took the full asking price of the new van with extras, then the part ex was way more than i paid for the van 5 yrs ago...
if i took the average part ex for the bolero, then i got more off the new van than most pay for a new caravan....
reality, somewhere in between, i guess, but who cares?
either way, i was delighted...
I usually do know what type of car I want. I never, ever buy a car unless I really want it. Also, I just love salesmen. They go through the schpeel, and the harder they try to sell, the easier it is for me to walk away. I just like the salesmen who just
explains how they go about selling their cars, then leave me to look, no hard selling tactics. My favourite words are NO THANK YOU0 -
Yes purchasing would be simpler if motorhomes, caravans or cars had an inflexible ticket price.We would all know where we stood, with only our trade in value to debate.
The one thing that puts me off some salesmen is when they pretend to be your new best friend. I know this is a trained sales technique but I find it very off-putting.
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I have a 'cost to change' figure in mind. If the figure from the dealer, whether car, motorhome or caravan, inflates significantly to get a deal, I walk away because they are solely focused on shifting metal and the likelihood of any after sales service
is limited. A good dealer will give you a decent price and might be willing to increase it a little to get a deal.You might find that the £6k suddeny because less when the dealer finds something wrong wth your vehice on the day you trade in/buy.
The game exists because some people are price promiscuous and macho man loves to brag about how he beat the opposition to get a better deal. Dealers are often grateful when you make it clear you are not going to play the game.
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Yes purchasing would be simpler if motorhomes, caravans or cars had an inflexible ticket price.We would all know where we stood, with only our trade in value to debate.
That's why you always ask for the cost to change. Your trade in value is irrelevant as is any "10% offers." Anybody can get get 10% off if it's marked up by 15% in the first place. Such number games are what salesmen love because they are meaningless in reality but the punter thinks they are getting a good deal.
If you want to trade in, get the cost to change and forget all the other horlicks.
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I would never go into a conversation with a salesman without first working out in my head the cost to change that I would be happy with. How we arrive at it makes no difference really and if it was over my expected figure, I walk away.
Even if it was under my expected figure I would still push for a better deal.
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What gets me about salespersons is that when you are buying all these extras, are well extra. However when you are then selling said vehicle, the extras are not taken into consideration. Same as milage, buying a car with an average milage of 10.000 a year
is 'good average milage' but when you are selling 10.000 miles is high. Sales people must think we are daft, tactics haven't changed over the years, sales people just get younger. OH hates having to haggle but I love it, I'm happy to walk away because at the
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The system is ingrained in the industry so you have to play their game. Just set aside a few hours and ignore the cleaners, tell them you have got a trade in figure elsewhere and add bit to it if you have.
The best time is at the end of the month. Salesmen have a monthly target and if you can find the one still needing to sell then he will be desperate to sell and will more or less do whatever is needed yo get the sale he needs.
Alternatively take one of my daughters with you and sit back in awe at the performance. In general it makes you feel sorry for the sales staff.
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The system is ingrained in the industry so you have to play their game. Just set aside a few hours and ignore the cleaners, tell them you have got a trade in figure elsewhere and add bit to it if you have.
The best time is at the end of the month. Salesmen have a monthly target and if you can find the one still needing to sell then he will be desperate to sell and will more or less do whatever is needed yo get the sale he needs.
Alternatively take one of my daughters with you and sit back in awe at the performance. In general it makes you feel sorry for the sales staff.
WW, Im shocked.....some will stoop to any measures....
i think you'd better explain....no doubt they're great negotiators?
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We couldn't sell our Bailey Valencia so accepted the trade-in offered by Marquis on a new motorhome. We had already negotiated a good basic price discount on the motorhome so the trade-in was book value.
When we paid the balance due on the motorhome it was about £300 less than expected. The dealer just said "oh, they probably got more for the caravan than expected". Now that's good service and honesty. I was quite shocked!
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The system is ingrained in the industry so you have to play their game. Just set aside a few hours and ignore the cleaners, tell them you have got a trade in figure elsewhere and add bit to it if you have.
The best time is at the end of the month. Salesmen have a monthly target and if you can find the one still needing to sell then he will be desperate to sell and will more or less do whatever is needed yo get the sale he needs.
Alternatively take one of my daughters with you and sit back in awe at the performance. In general it makes you feel sorry for the sales staff.
WW, Im shocked.....some will stoop to any measures....
i think you'd better explain....no doubt they're great negotiators?
Write your comments here... Having seen them negotiate I was in awe. We have actualy traded one caravan for more than it cost us and even continued after a car showroom closed and the cleaners worked round us but the deals my daughters have negotiated have
amazed me. Not sure if the salesmen think women are easy pickings and just cannot cope when they find they are wrong.0 -
Classic....!
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