Fresh water yes or no?
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...but you dont go to a camp site to get your car washed...
the club(s) have the infrastructure in place, and there are many sites....they have the scale to make it work and the network of communications to advertise the facility....
no doubt any member or not (even in a MH) can pitch up at any CC site and buy an exchange gas bottle without having to book in for a night...its just a financial transaction....the club sells gas because members (and others) need it, whether they are staying
on that site are not.are the club encouraging wild camping by selling gas to a member who is just passing through?
where is the usual outcry re where would they park, blocking the entrance etc....
members should feel comfortable using their own club to purchase 'camping' facilities.....if gas is ok, why not water....?
There is a profit in selling gas. It is sold when the site shop is open and provides income with little in the way of expensive infrastructure. There is also a substantial demand.
The point about carwashes etc and other businesses on unused petrol station sites is that if it were profitable I am surprised that it was not taken up.
Selling water and dumping facility is supportive of wild camping as those using sites of whatever nature generally have access to both. Gas can be bought from many outlets and is required regardless of where one is staying. I suspect that many using CLs
do call into CC sites for gas. When I wanted to exchange a gas bottle at home I went to a CC site as I was more certain of getting a 3.9kg size0 -
...well i guess it depends on whether the club is providing a service to its members....as the CCC does.
a bourne would be self financing, and pretty well self managing, certainly less hassle to sell a jeton than opening a gas cage.
a wild camper need gas as well as water, so i dont really see that seeling gas to someone who goes 'elsewhere' is any less supportive of wild camping than selling them water.
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a bourne would be self financing
Personally I doubt a payback on the original investment.
perhaps it depends whether the club allowed anyone near it
as the UK, and in particular the CC, it seems, doesn't understand that to enjoy a MH (or indeed a caravan) one doesnt have to pitch up at a CC site......
there may well be many CC members who mix and match their camping to different areas/sites/locations and not to be able to get water at your own club (even for a fee) seems a trifle petty.
however, as it doesnt affect me (I'd certainly never risk the wrath of one of my own Club's wardens by asking for water while passing through) i'll get mine in the usual places....oh, and France/Spain/Germany etc...
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We have plenty of wild campers in Weston-super-Mare. They fill the nearest lay-by with a dozen 30ft vans, stay for a couple of weeks, leave all their rubbish behind and pay no fee at all! Seriously though, to answer the original question, surely if you're
going to turn up anywhere without a booking you're reliant on the goodwill of the wardens and take what you are given0 -
Perhaps there's an opening for garage chains to provide such a facility. They'd be sure of a steady flow of clients, particularly if they sell LPG.
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Some of the responses on her have been extremely dismissive, along the lines of 'the CC doesn't do that, it never has and we don't see why it should'. Typical reaction really
I don't know how many motorhomers are members of the club but, we pay the same subscription as caravanners so I don't think it is unfair for us to expect thet the CC will actually cater for us as well, even if that means providing facilities caravanners
don't use. Some motorhomers may be happy to book onto sites but we are pretty much sel-contained, we don't need EHU, we have refillable gas cylinders and water tanks that will last us for three or four days.However, we do have a need to dump waste water and toilet cassettes and I don't think it is asking too much to suggest the CC should be looking seriously at how they might be able to provide this service for people who are members. I would be very happy
to pay a fee for waste water and toilet disposal. It would provide a service members would find useful - isn't that what the club exists for - and an income stream.The MHSPs on many sites are completely unfit for purpose, either because they are in the wrong place, make it dificult to dump grey waste because of the position or design of the drain or are sometimes on an incline which means the tank does not empty completely.
As we are not trolling backwards and forwards with a Aquaroll, the MHSP does not need to be in the main body of the site which might meet the objections of those who don't want extra traffic passing by.0 -
First off I agree that the CC should improve facilities for water and waste for motorhomes staying on site.
They should try and be evenhanded in providing for the needs of both caravans and motorhomes on site.
I see no pressing need to provide for those not using the site. I see no advantage to either site users or to the CC.
Facilities are provided by the Camping and Caravan Club. How that advantages those using the site or that club I have no idea.
As far as I am aware facilites are available on a number of sites if folk wish to use those sites. As far as I am aware it is only the C&CC that provide for those not using their sites. Must be a reason why site owners do not generally provide such a facility.
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First off I agree that the CC should improve facilities for water and waste for motorhomes staying
on site.They should try and be evenhanded in providing for the needs of both caravans and motorhomes
on site.I see no pressing need to provide for those not using the site. I see no advantage to either site users or to the CC.
Facilities are provided by the Camping and Caravan Club. How that advantages those using the site or that club I have no idea.
As far as I am aware facilites are available on a number of sites if folk wish to use those sites. As far as I am aware it is only the C&CC that provide for those not using their sites. Must be a reason why site owners do not generally provide such a facility.
Write your comments here...
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You say you see no advantage to site users or the CC. What about the advantage to those MEMBERS of the CC, who pay the same subs as you, who would like this facility? Or is the CC not there to provide a service to all the members, only those who stay on
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As far as I am concerned as a member I have no interest in providing facilities for those that wild camp. I suspect that the cost of provision would not be recouped to advantage those that use CLs or Club sites.
I didn't think it was the members who provide facilities....
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...but you dont go to a camp site to get your car washed...
the club(s) have the infrastructure in place, and there are many sites....they have the scale to make it work and the network of communications to advertise the facility....
no doubt any member or not (even in a MH) can pitch up at any CC site and buy an exchange gas bottle without having to book in for a night...its just a financial transaction....the club sells gas because members (and others) need it, whether they are staying
on that site are not.are the club encouraging wild camping by selling gas to a member who is just passing through?
where is the usual outcry re where would they park, blocking the entrance etc....
members should feel comfortable using their own club to purchase 'camping' facilities.....if gas is ok, why not water....?
...Gas is not supplied by the cc ,its is down to the individuel wardens to pay for the stock and sell it ,as a means of suplimenting their income
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You say you see no advantage to site users or the CC. What about the advantage to those MEMBERS of the CC, who pay the same subs as you, who would like this facility? Or is the CC not there to provide a service to all the members, only those who stay on
sites?Yes, we're motorhomers and fully paid up members! We'd like to access facilities that suit us. I really cannot see a problem with that.
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As far as I am concerned as a member I have no interest in providing facilities for those that wild camp. I suspect that the cost of provision would not be recouped to advantage those that use CLs or Club sites.
I didn't think it was the members who provide facilities....
Presently it is membership and site fees that pay for any facility ...... ergo members
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As far as I am concerned as a member I have no interest in providing facilities for those that wild camp. I suspect that the cost of provision would not be recouped to advantage those that use CLs or Club sites.
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Not every motorhomer who might make use of a service facility is necessarily, by definition, a "wild camper". There are legitimate organisations which offer locations for overnighting; not all these locations have service facilities. Caravanners are possibly unaware of these opportunities.
If facilities are not provided then go where they are.
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You say you see no advantage to site users or the CC. What about the advantage to those MEMBERS of the CC, who pay the same subs as you, who would like this facility? Or is the CC not there to provide a service to all the members, only those who stay on
sites?Yes, we're motorhomers and fully paid up members! We'd like to access facilities that suit us. I really cannot see a problem with that.
Go seek then
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"...Gas is not supplied by the cc ,its is down to the individuel wardens to pay for the stock and sell it ,as a means of supplementing their income"
...so, supplying gas on site is not a service to its members?
its really just a profit making scheme for the wardens?
surely not....
the club should be providing what the members want, not what it thinks they want....whether it be bread, milk, pitch, gas, water whatever....
as has been said many times....the club probably thinks MHs are caravans with engines....they arent, and MH users require a different set of services than those who use caravans.
its time the club realised that half its membership falls into this category and stop thinking that its sites must remain a one size fits all....
..yes, we know its the 'caravan' club and get reminded of this on a regular basis by the way these sort of threads are responded to by the 'other' half of the membership.
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You say you see no advantage to site users or the CC. What about the advantage to those MEMBERS of the CC, who pay the same subs as you, who would like this facility? Or is the CC not there to provide a service to all the members, only those who stay on
sites?..The cc is an organisation who run a network of sites (amongst other things) for the use of members for a reasonable (for most) nightly fee , if one section of the membership feel ,because of their lifestyle ,they are being discriminated against,
then rather than as has been mentioned on numerouse posts, waste time by posting on here try going to the agm with your proposals
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You say you see no advantage to site users or the CC. What about the advantage to those MEMBERS of the CC, who pay the same subs as you, who would like this facility? Or is the CC not there to provide a service to all the members, only those who stay on
sites?..The cc is an organisation who run a network of sites (amongst other things) for the use of members for a reasonable (for most) nightly fee , if one section of the membership feel ,because of their lifestyle ,they are being discriminated against,
then rather than as has been mentioned on numerouse posts, waste time by posting on here try going to the agm with your proposalsOr canvas local authorities and companies etc,
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"...Gas is not supplied by the cc ,its is down to the individuel wardens to pay for the stock and sell it ,as a means of supplementing their income"
...so, supplying gas on site is not a service to its members?
its really just a profit making scheme for the wardens?
surely not....
Yep. Also sell ice creams etc!!
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"...Gas is not supplied by the cc ,its is down to the individuel wardens to pay for the stock and sell it ,as a means of supplementing their income"
...so, supplying gas on site is not a service to its members?
its really just a profit making scheme for the wardens?
surely not....
the club should be providing what the members want, not what it thinks they want....whether it be bread, milk, pitch, gas, water whatever....
as has been said many times....the club probably thinks MHs are caravans with engines....they arent, and MH users require a different set of services than those who use caravans.
its time the club realised that half its membership falls into this category and stop thinking that its sites must remain a one size fits all....
..yes, we know its the 'caravan' club and get reminded of this on a regular basis by the way these sort of threads are responded to by the 'other' half of the membership.
...All "Services" over and above the pitch fees is down to each warden as to what add services i.e.gas, milk /bread they supply to members , and is all paid for in the first place out of their own pockets
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"...its time the club realised that half its membership falls into this category and stop thinking that its sites must remain a one size fits all...."
I think "half" the membership is probably overstating it, but even within that portion of the membership I'm guessing that most are content with using sites, whether CC or other. The number requiring the services you, personally, require appears rather
small. I don't think it warrants a huge amount of new investment from the club for what would be a fairly small return. (But obviously that's just a personal point of view!
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"...Gas is not supplied by the cc ,its is down to the individuel wardens to pay for the stock and sell it ,as a means of supplementing their income"
...so, supplying gas on site is not a service to its members?
its really just a profit making scheme for the wardens?
surely not....
Yep. Also sell ice creams etc!!
So, could I just pull in to any site and buy an ice cream?
, or would I get told to clear off0
