Fresh water yes or no?
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For what it's worth, can I summarise how I would deal with the op's question if I were a warden:
Some sites have a problem with a certain group of caravan users who tend not to pay for pitching, but would like to use the facilities.
If I was approached by someone looking for pitch and I didn't have one spare - based on me having walked the site many times that day, not just on whatever the computer said - I would assess whether they fell into the above group (not difficult, especially
if they were hoping to pay for a pitch) and if they weren't, I would let them empty their waste and fill their water (probably escorting them) and suggest a contribution to the flower fund / RNLI / local charity etc.Then I would wish them luck in finding a site (after looking for availability on other local CC sites) and telling them when I would have availability, if they'd like to come back.
Job done.
..Would you like to volunteer on a site and see what its really like trying to "placate" the.modern "holiday" person
Whats a 'modern holiday person' and why would you want to placate them if they were dealt with as in the above suggestion and as in TTDA's experiences?
surely, they would respond in the manner that they had been treated.....something like..."thanks a lot for the water and the toilet emptying, here's a few quid for the Lifeboat Fund, have a great day"....
not really an issue, is it?....
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For what it's worth, can I summarise how I would deal with the op's question if I were a warden:
Some sites have a problem with a certain group of caravan users who tend not to pay for pitching, but would like to use the facilities.
If I was approached by someone looking for pitch and I didn't have one spare - based on me having walked the site many times that day, not just on whatever the computer said - I would assess whether they fell into the above group (not difficult, especially
if they were hoping to pay for a pitch) and if they weren't, I would let them empty their waste and fill their water (probably escorting them) and suggest a contribution to the flower fund / RNLI / local charity etc.Then I would wish them luck in finding a site (after looking for availability on other local CC sites) and telling them when I would have availability, if they'd like to come back.
Job done.
..Would you like to volunteer on a site and see what its really like trying to "placate" the.modern "holiday" person
Whats a 'modern holiday person' and why would you want to placate them if they were dealt with as in the above suggestion and as in TTDA's experiences?
surely, they would respond in the manner that they had been treated.....something like..."thanks a lot for the water and the toilet emptying, here's a few quid for the Lifeboat Fund, have a great day"....
not really an issue, is it?....
..You do like your jokes
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It's all to do with the approach I find, be polite, be realistic in your expectations, understand both sides of an issue.
I remember the evening at Exeter when a passing van called in, and wanted to park up and use facilities despite Warden telling them site was full. Next day brought complete mayhem, full on Traveller invasion, swearing, assault, Police on site, tourers leaving
by the dozen. Not saying that the case put by the OP was Travellers, far from it obviously, but sometimes experiences can lead to a wary approach.0 -
It's all to do with the approach I find, be polite, be realistic in your expectations, understand both sides of an issue.
I remember the evening at Exeter when a passing van called in, and wanted to park up and use facilities despite Warden telling them site was full. Next day brought complete mayhem, full on Traveller invasion, swearing, assault, Police on site, tourers leaving
by the dozen. Not saying that the case put by the OP was Travellers, far from it obviously, but sometimes experiences can lead to a wary approach.....agreed, but wouldnt the production of a membership card (and verification of same) ease the conversation along the 'right' path....
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It can and it does! But we were not trying to drive onto the sites of course.
I can understand the person who was refused being miffed, which they obviously were reading the MF thread, but they just got rather caught out badly, perhaps forgetting this is UK and not the more relaxed Continent. Never been, but I understand sites are
few and far between in Northern Scotland, so planning needs to be good? I would just have found a cemetery as I said earlier. Most have taps, for flowers etc.., then grey waste down a culvert, can't do much regarding elsan unless you find a public loo ( which
admittedly are either scarce or locked at dusk!). It's all in the planning!0 -
I do know some wardens who would look after a member in this situaton but most will tow the party line
Wardens are people. I suspect tha tmost people would, when somebody wanted to book in but the site was full, accomodate them with both waste and water
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The site this event occurred at was described as remote and far from any other. If it was Altnaharra CC site, which fits the bill, a MH arriving and collecting water from the one ordinary service point (no MHSP there) then leaving again would be very noticeable on such a small site. Whilst it wouldn't bother most of us, you can bet that someone would complain to CC and drop the warden in it for breaching policy so the warden might have been exercising some self preservation tactics.
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It's all to do with the approach I find, be polite, be realistic in your expectations, understand both sides of an issue.
I remember the evening at Exeter when a passing van called in, and wanted to park up and use facilities despite Warden telling them site was full. Next day brought complete mayhem, full on Traveller invasion, swearing, assault, Police on site, tourers leaving by the dozen. Not saying that the case put by the OP was Travellers, far from it obviously, but sometimes experiences can lead to a wary approach.
....agreed, but wouldnt the production of a membership card (and verification of same) ease the conversation along the 'right' path....
...No as the travelling fraternety have "membership cards",
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I can regail another wardens experiance ,from a site in Kent (not cc now) when a couple arrived saying they were on another site but could they come to this site,as where they were was not suitable, it was lucky that a member who was on site came in and said there were 7 Traveller vans parked on the aproach road to the site,the "couple"then started to get agressive to both the warden and the members saying they were coming anyway as it said on the site entrance non members welcome,the warden phoned the police and the very brave member backed his car blocking the entrance,if the travellers had got on it would have been a real problem,but as the entrance was blocked they left after the police arrived,
Ps If travellers are in the area or have been moved off some where I understand that all site in the area are now put on alert by the outhorities? i know when the Horse fair at Stow on the Wold is coming up all site in the area are "reminded"
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If you can find a copy of the March 2005 mag, in the Council's report published in it, it clearly stated "the Club would not allow motorcaravanners to call at its sites simply to empty tanks and replenish water supplies and then move on." The reason given was it encouraged wild camping.
I don't have a copy of the magazine but I know this because I had an exchange of views with the club over it.
I also recall the then Chairman Bob Black, addressing a meeting in Italy made a similar statement against the setting up of aires.
peedee
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The site this event occurred at was described as remote and far from any other. If it was Altnaharra CC site, which fits the bill, a MH arriving and collecting water from the one ordinary service point (no MHSP there) then leaving again would be very noticeable
on such a small site. Whilst it wouldn't bother most of us, you can bet that someone would complain to CC and drop the warden in it for
breaching policy so the warden might have been exercising some self preservation tactics.Have you seen this policy TW?
Of course not. I'm referring to the information given to the complainant by CC which I mentioned earlier. Unless we start doubting her veracity, we have to take it as being correct at that time.
See also PD's post.
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So this thread has gone from a member asking for some water to a full blown site invasion of certain types
it's a little deeper than that I think HD. A member of another forum, who rarely posts on here, cherry picking a two year old post from elsewhere, and throwing it into the CT cauldron, to see what else will be tossed into the witches brew, and giving it
the odd stir when needed. They are quite within their rights to post of course, as is any Tom, Dick, Harry or none member on this open forum. But it is still a somewhat sophisticated method of getting members to comment on Wardens, and CC generally, and no
doubt having a bit of a laugh at the posts and debates generated.0 -
If you can find a copy of the March 2005 mag, in the Council's report published in it, it clearly states "the Club would not allow motorcaravanners to call at its sites simply to empty tanks and replenish water supplies and then move on." The reason given was it encouraged wild camping.
I don't have a copy of the magazine but I know this because I had an exchange of views with the club over it.
I also recall the then Chairman Bob Black, addressing a meeting in Italy made a similar statement against the setting up of aires.
peedee
That was more than 10 years ago, is it not time it was reconsidered?
What has changed in the 10 years?
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If it was considered again I would think there would be even more opposition , and this time by some local councils who are having to cope as is seen by the way more and more parking restrictios are being introduced to prevent just that situation getting
worse, and unless Aires are put on green belt land
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If you can find a copy of the March 2005 mag, in the Council's report published in it, it clearly states "the Club would not allow motorcaravanners to call at its sites simply to empty tanks and replenish water supplies and then move on." The reason given
was it encouraged wild camping.I don't have a copy of the magazine but I know this because I had an exchange of views with the club over it.
I also recall the then Chairman Bob Black, addressing a meeting in Italy made a similar statement against the setting up of aires.
peedee
That was more than 10 years ago, is it not time it was reconsidered?
I have heard nothing or seen nothing to indicate this policy has changed.
peedee
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Travellers are a common problem around here and so anything that might encourage will be a no-no
I think that is the difference between the Uk and the rest of Europe, we don't have laws to immediately move those who transgress on. On the Continent they don't mees around if you squat on land you are not supposed to.
peedee
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If it was considered again I would think there would be even more opposition , and this time by some local councils who are having to cope as is seen by the way more and more parking restrictios are being introduced to prevent just that situation getting
worse, and unless Aires are put on green belt land then it is dead in the waterMy imagination is not so vivid that I can see how the occasional motorhomer calling into a CC Ltd site for a water fill and sanitary service is going to cause major parking problems, traffic congestion or anything else. Sadly there are those with far more
vivid imaginations than I that let their imagination run away with them and affect their decisions.Reat your imagination, I can show you the damage done by wild camping travellers if you wish.
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I've never read such twaddle about why a motorhomer shouldn't be allowed fresh water & empty tanks, from travellers to 'elf n safety and congestion while driving round the site.
Just proves how some have still not seen the real modern world out there
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If it was considered again I would think there would be even more opposition , and this time by some local councils who are having to cope as is seen by the way more and more parking restrictios are being introduced to prevent just that situation getting
worse, and unless Aires are put on green belt land then it is dead in the waterMy imagination is not so vivid that I can see how the occasional motorhomer calling into a CC Ltd site for a water fill and sanitary service is going to cause major parking problems, traffic congestion or anything else. Sadly there are those with far more
vivid imaginations than I that let their imagination run away with them and affect their decisions.Reat your imagination, I can show you the damage done by wild camping travellers if you wish.
Thank ET but I've seen it locally. However, it is not so prolific that we should allow it to change or affect our day to day lives.
...That depends of course whether you live in a "wild camping" hotspot area
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I've never read such twaddle about why a motorhomer shouldn't be allowed fresh water & empty tanks, from travellers to 'elf n safety and congestion while driving round the site.
Agreed MM
. Absolutely no reason at all that they cannot fill / empty tanks as required, all they have to do is book in for a night, then they can use the showers as well !!
They spend good sums of money on the m/home or camper and then begrudge the few quid needed for a night on a Club Pitch. The terms Tightwads or Freeloaders come to mind. And if the site is full they could always stay on the Late Arrivals pitch since nobody will be arriving who has booked til the next day at the earliest.
Brian
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