Fresh water yes or no?
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Why not just empty it before you set off?
It is not always possible where you overnighted
Not even for an experienced motorhomer with a bucket and a watering can? I take it this is when you spend a night off site then?
As I said I have never been in this position myself but yes people do stay off site especially when touring Scotland.
I have wild camped in Scotland when I went off for a few weeks a couple of years after my wifes death. I wild camped so that I could spend time alone and do some fishing. Of course it was easier as with just one person the loo that I had would last 5 days
as would the water that I carried. Every 4 or 5 nights I would move on to use a CC site overnight and do some washing, shopping etc. I was using a caravan at that time0 -
Many continetal sites have coin or token operated service points that dispense a set ammount of water but often do wonder where those using the facility are going to spend the night afterwards.
Aires are plentyfull, you just move to another less popular one
Some of my visits https://techno.smugmug.com/Travel
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This subject has cropped up before and I think it was confirmed by staff that the CC does not make provision for short stops by motorhomers to get water or empty waste.
I don't have a problem with it but the way to get change is going directly to the Club as the forum doesn't achieve anything more than a discussion.
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the point is, folk join the CC for a variety of reasons, some using ferry or insurance prices, some using CLs....its not mandatory that folk stay on CC sites....
yet what is the issue with the club offering another 'service' in the way that CCC does, where use of the water/waste can be made for a small fee?
just because those who use caravans and stay on sites cant see 'why' this service would ever be needed, it doesnt mean that others wouldnt use it.
we often hear comments querying what MH ers 'do with their waste' when camping off grid....well (as in Easys post above) they could go to a CC site and empty responsibly...for a small fee
...though asking them to actually overnight on that CC site would probably be purgatory for them....
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So, the OP ask's a question and just gets grief, we seem to be members of a club that can not help it's members , Don't what ever you do leave home to tour the UK with out booking , that's the first sin ,then to ask to ask for some water from a clubsite (willing
to pay) if your not staying on that site is the second sinWhat harm can be done ????.....oh yes ,you haven't paid ,so your'e not coming on
There is no reason why a member must book as you well know Husky. A few stirring the pot to help the brew. Let's not eh and I shall endeavour to do likewise fella.
The harm is simply that the CC do not offer such a facility and if it were to permit folks not using the pitches on site to use facilities then there would soon be an uptake. Some site accesses would not be suitable and I personally do not want an influx
of vehicles using site facilities. If they did offer the facility in my view it would cause various problems and would need a policy and a charge. Firstly I do not want additional site traffic and such a facility would be best outside the main pitching area.
That would cause expenditure. If vehicles were to enter the main site then in many cases the barrier system would involve the wardens and as said by Ian (who I often disagee with) there is an issue of security. I do not know how the systen works on C&CC sites
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This subject has cropped up before and I think it was confirmed by staff that the CC does not make provision for short stops by motorhomers to get water or empty waste.
I don't have a problem with it but the way to get change is going directly to the Club as the forum doesn't achieve anything more than a discussion.
Good reply, yes I agree. I've not been affected by their policy but there is room for improvement as ever. Another 100 yrs should do it lol
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Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone nor be allowed
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yet what is the issue with the club offering another 'service' in the way that CCC does, where use of the water/waste can be made for a small fee?
just because those who use caravans and stay on sites cant see 'why' this service would ever be needed, it doesnt mean that others wouldnt use it.
I can see why such a service might be desireable to some motorhomers. However it is simply one that the CC is not geared up to supply and therefore does not offer.
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There was a similar post a couple of days ago asking if being a member of the cc gave them access to service points on sites , intimating if they just paid for their membership could they just use site facilities without any more cost,or if i "wildcamp"
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Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone.
I think that a warden is likely to let you use the toilets in an emergency. If you arrive and there is no room (I have had to be turned away from a booked site due to flooding and the warden assisted by contacting some local sites - no mobiles at that time).
If there is no room on the site then I presume you would go elsewhere?0 -
Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone.
I think that a warden is likely to let you use the toilets in an emergency. If you arrive and there is no room (I have had to be turned away from a booked site due to flooding and the warden assisted by contacting some local sites - no mobiles at that time).
If there is no room on the site then I presume you would go elsewhere?Yes there would be no option but to be sent up the road late evening with no water and a full toilet cassette is a bit uncivilised IMHO
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There was a similar post a couple of days ago asking if being a member of the cc gave them access to service points on sites , intimating if they just paid for their membership could they just use site facilities without any more cost,or if i "wildcamp"
I would say that is completely not on for obvious reasons
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Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone nor be allowed
I fully agree with your last sentence, techno. The way the thread progressed it appeared that the opposite was exactly the case.
Whatever our personal views, it s not currently allowed by CC so that's the situation.
We all need to take responsibility for our own actions to ensure such an event does not occur. Therefore, the question regains its hypothetical status.
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Surely being a member of the CC should entitle you to use the basic facilities of-toilet, water, disposal points. I would've thought that would be as the minimum regardless of staying on the site. It takes nothing away from fellow campers but adds goodwill
to members, a service.0 -
Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone.
I think that a warden is likely to let you use the toilets in an emergency. If you arrive and there is no room (I have had to be turned away from a booked site due to flooding and the warden assisted by contacting some local sites - no mobiles at that time). If there is no room on the site then I presume you would go elsewhere?
Yes there would be no option but to be sent up the road late evening with no water and a full toilet cassette is a bit uncivilised IMHO
I think that any experienced motor homer that lets himself get into the situation of having a full toilet and no water when he he has not secured a pitch is plain irresponsible and the moreso if not solo. A phone call at mid day will get a response from a site or one to HO in the week. No phone signal? then drive to where there is one. Not prepared to do either then take your chances. You can improve your chances of a pitch if not wishing to phone ahead by making sure you reach the site with time to suss out an alternative.
Edited to add that my use of 'you' is a generic term and not aimed at anybody
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If it were allowed as a paid for service, I would have thought the price would have to be quite high. A night on a non facility site costs £14. Electricity usage in the summer is minimal, perhaps £2. So how much of the remaining £12 is for the night spent,
and how much for the water / waste. Wether you are staying or just dumping you are still involving the wardens, so their costs are common to both. On this basis I would think about £5. Would people think that acceptable?0 -
Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone.
I think that a warden is likely to let you use the toilets in an emergency. If you arrive and there is no room (I have had to be turned away from a booked site due to flooding and the warden assisted by contacting some local sites - no mobiles at that time).
If there is no room on the site then I presume you would go elsewhere?Yes there would be no option but to be sent up the road late evening with no water and a full toilet cassette is a bit uncivilised IMHO
..Why would any moter caravan turn up not booked at a full site with a full cassette and wanting water surely they would have serviced ther vehicle at the last site unless of course ?
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No phone signal? then drive to where there is one.
Hmm. That could be further than to the CC site in this part of the country.
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Surely being a member of the CC should entitle you to use the basic facilities of-toilet, water, disposal points. I would've thought that would be as the minimum regardless of staying on the site. It takes nothing away from fellow campers but adds goodwill
to members, a service.....i would have thought so, too Rocky....but it seems that, possibly having the odd van 'that hasnt paid' on site would cause such mayhem that the rest of the site (and its 'paid' users) couldn't possibly function...
i agree that some of the MHSP are in daft locations and, whether 'visiting vans' are allowed or not, need addressing...
but this shouldnt preclude the odd van (and it will be just one or two, if that) from using their own clubs facilities....even for a small fee...£5 ish.
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If it were allowed as a paid for service, I would have thought the price would have to be quite high. A night on a non facility site costs £14. Electricity usage in the summer is minimal, perhaps £2. So how much of the remaining £12 is for the night spent,
and how much for the water / waste. Wether you are staying or just dumping you are still involving the wardens, so their costs are common to both. On this basis I would think about £5. Would people think that acceptable?Yes
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as above, a fiver is a reasonable fee...the CCC fee of £7.80 (from memory) is way too high....of course, overseas its €2 for upto 100ltr of water and toilet and grey waste dumping is free...
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Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone.
I think that a warden is likely to let you use the toilets in an emergency. If you arrive and there is no room (I have had to be turned away from a booked site due to flooding and the warden assisted by contacting some local sites - no mobiles at that time). If there is no room on the site then I presume you would go elsewhere?
Yes there would be no option but to be sent up the road late evening with no water and a full toilet cassette is a bit uncivilised IMHO
I think that any experienced motor homer that lets himself get into the situation of having a full toilet and no water when he he has not secured a pitch is plain irresponsible and the moreso if not solo. A phone call at mid day will get a response from a site or one to HO in the week. No phone signal? then drive to where there is one. Not prepared to do either then take your chances. You can improve your chances of a pitch if not wishing to phone ahead by making sure you reach the site with time to suss out an alternative.
Edited to add that my use of 'you' is a generic term and not aimed at anybody
Unfortunately not everyone is so well organised especially as they get older lol. Perfection is very desireable but a rarity. You've only to look at how many caravans are travelling with the Status Aerial pointing the wrong way lol
Edit the use of "caravan" is generic and could include motor caravans lol
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The CCC charge I read (earlier link) is £8 which for the use of all facilities including washing, showers etc is reasonable. They do a one size fits all as is common these days and can only rreally see it appealing to those that wild camp. They do not offer a cut price version for water, waste and loo emptying. A take it or leave it package.
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Let me clarify as there seems to be a diversion from the issue.
The situation is "you arrive at a site but have not booked, YOU DO WANT TO STAY but it is full" Can I use and pay for the services please.
I am not advocating that anyone turn up purely for the services alone.
I think that a warden is likely to let you use the toilets in an emergency. If you arrive and there is no room (I have had to be turned away from a booked site due to flooding and the warden assisted by contacting some local sites - no mobiles at that time).
If there is no room on the site then I presume you would go elsewhere?Yes there would be no option but to be sent up the road late evening with no water and a full toilet cassette is a bit uncivilised IMHO
I think that any experienced motor homer that lets himself get into the situation of having a full toilet and no water when he he has not secured a pitch is plain irresponsible and the moreso if not solo. A phone call at mid day will get a response from
a site or one to HO in the week. No phone signal? then drive to where there is one. Not prepared to do either then take your chances. You can improve your chances of a pitch if not wishing to phone ahead by making sure you reach the site with time to suss
out an alternative.Edited to add that my use of 'you' is a generic term and not aimed at anybody
Unfortunately not everyone is so well organised especially as they get older lol. Perfection is very desireable but a rarity. You've only to look at how many caravans are travelling with the Status Aerial pointing the wrong way lol
...That also depends on what model of status Arial and its not only c/vans
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It takes little organisational skills to ensure water available and loo not over full techno. Even us oldies can manage. Although on the occasion that I wild camped I did make occasional use of the CC sites There was at least one occasion when I moved on
after a couple of days and simply used a public toilet to empty loo and top up water0 -
There seems to be an attitude of the CC is a tiered system. If you don't pitch then you pay extra, if you pitch you use everything. What's wrong with-you are a member so you can use everything. Much fairer. I'm realizing that the CC are not the unfriendly
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It takes little organisational skills to ensure water available and loo not over full techno. Even us oldies can manage. Although on the occasion that I wild camped I did make occasional use of the CC sites There was at least one occasion when I moved on
after a couple of days and simply used a public toilet to empty loo and top up waterEasy ..I think you have it right, it should be a completely hypothetical question ,it would be interesting if any ""duel" members can throw light on the c cc take up of their open door system
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Let me elaborate on my view. I have no problem with CC allowing this amenity for a fee providing it does not add to the queues that sometimes exist at MHSPs. In a chargeable situation the warden would control access and departure.
What I do object to is somebody failing to take responsibility for their own actions by not thinking or planning ahead and then expecting special treatment to use of the facilities.
And age is no barrier to being sensibly, Techno.
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