Butane V Propane

Lyke Wake Man
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edited June 2016 in Caravan & Motorhome Chat #1

Is Propane any better than Butane for  summer caravaning

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  • SteveL
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    edited June 2016 #2

    I'm afraid I have no idea, however it is better in winter conditions. So unless you don't caravan in the colder times of the year, or want to change between gas types, go with propane.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited June 2016 #3

    The only time my butane froze was during the really long, very cold spell a few years ago. SWMBO had intended to use the caravan's oven as an over flow oven when cooking Christmas dinner ...... but was unable to. Other than that, we've never had a problem
    with butane even when caravaning in snow.

  • Pippah45
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    edited June 2016 #4

    I would not use Butane now unless only caravnning in Summer.  Mine froze (?) In early November once.  I see no reason not to be on propane 365 days a year.

  • young thomas
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    edited June 2016 #5

    agreed, Pippa, no need to faff about....

    golden rule, if you caravan in very cold places for prolonged periods you will probably be relying on gas to supplement your heating so choose propane.

    for summer only campers, butane will do the same job....

    but choose one or the other for your type of camping....

  • TonyIshUK
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    edited June 2016 #6

    Depends weather (?) the summer consists of a Spring, then Autumn with little in between.  Having propane covers all options, and there is little or no cost difference.

    Rggs

  • DSB
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    edited June 2016 #7

    We go with Propane now as we use the much lighter Calorlite cylinders.

    David 

  • paul56
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    edited June 2016 #8

    It is reassuring to know that whatever the weather throws at you, you will always have heat using propane and if you're a spring or autumn vanner, you never know! 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #9

    Luckily we stick with propane all year. We had  holiday up on Hadrians Wall and Northumberland last June. Early in the month, we got up to find the water in our dog bowls frozen solid...in June! You never know!Happy

  • Wildwood
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    edited June 2016 #10

    We have had butane work in snow despite it being said it will not. If you do not caravan in winter it is worthwhile but if you go in Winter then propane is better but I know of no advantage in Summer.

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #11

    Propane for us, we carry two calorlite cylinders. Happy to know that we can use the gas during the worst of Scottish winters

    K

  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #12

    With our first caravan, we had a cylinder of each.....having been told that butane was in some way better but propane was needed for winter (and we did experience 'frozen' gas using butane).

    In our current caravan, we have two bottles of propane and have not had any problems in 10 years.

    Just use propane and you will be fine.

  • Pippah45
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    edited June 2016 #13

    Is there any advantage to Butane - unless you only have the blue cylinders?  Empty the blue and restart with red propane ones then there is no issue.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited June 2016 #14

    Is there any advantage to Butane - unless you only have the blue cylinders?  Empty the blue and restart with red propane ones then there is no issue.

    Butane burns at a higher temperature than propane, so one will use less gas especially if using ones oven and have the fridge on gas.

  • DSB
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    edited June 2016 #15

    I think the red propane cylinders are becoming more popular these days, especially now folk are more aware of its usefulness over the winter months and also since calor brought out calorlite.

    David 

  • SELL
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    edited June 2016 #16

    When we bought our first van it came with 2 butane cylinders, as we dont use the caravan in the winter months we have just transferred to our other vans.

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  • nelliethehooker
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    Is there any advantage to Butane - unless you only have the blue cylinders?  Empty the blue and restart with red propane ones then there is no issue.

    Butane burns at a higher temperature than propane, so one will use less gas especially if using ones oven and have the fridge on gas.

    In air* pure butane burns at 1,970 C° whereas pure propane burns at 1,980 C°.  Of course most suppliers provide a mixture which tends to vary slightly over the year.  Delivery pressure also affects the performance but for the most part we as users are unlikely
    to notice any difference when using a euro standard 30 mbar gas regulator.  

    *Air, consists of about 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and less than 1% of argon, carbon dioxide, and other gases.

    That's me told then!!Wink However I don't understand what the final statement has to do the OP!

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  • hitchglitch
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    edited June 2016 #20

    I believe that you get a bit more Butane comparing size for size and it burns a bit hotter. I used BP light which is a mixture now I have s built-in LPG tank and that's a mixture 

    If you have a Homebase neer you I would go for Gas Light (formerly BP Light) but if not then Calorlite is probably the best option

  • TonyIshUK
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    edited June 2016 #21

    Plan B.  

    Have refillable containers and then worry about lpg being a mixture of propane and butane and what rate the two burn off together.  Also does butane get left behind in the cylinder in colder weather. 

    Not easy being a caravaner ! 

     

    Rgds

  • Pippah45
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    edited June 2016 #22

    No one seems to have quantified the differences between butane and propane usage very clearly yet.  I hope all interested have looked at the refillables eg Safefill for a cheaper alternative. I have no regrets buying a large Safefill cylinder the savings
    are great.  My central heating (such as it is) is LPG  so I am no stranger to the business!  But the rip off rate for calor particularly Calor lite is stunning!

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  • nelliethehooker
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    edited June 2016 #24

    Which statement is troubling you Nellie?  

    Sorry DD, I missed the * in the first line. However hitchglitch seems to think that Butane burns hotter than Propane. Wonder where we got that idea from.

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  • nelliethehooker
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    edited June 2016 #26

    DD have just looked on WIKI and comparing Specific Heat Capacity, Propane's is 73.60 JK-1Mol-1 compared to Butanes's 98.49. Physics is certainly not my subject though so my thought that the gas with the higher SHC burns hotter could well be misplaced.

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  • Lyke Wake Man
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    edited June 2016 #28

    Thanks for all your info, some of you have said about refillables, but all my local garages say it is iligle to refiill them, probly preasured by the likes of Calor

  • Fysherman
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    edited June 2016 #29

    The ability of butane to "gas off" from liquid begins to reduce at 7C. The point at which it refuses to gas depends not only on the temperature but the installation which obviously varies. Just use Propane all year round and forget about such issues. 

    It is not illegal to refill a cylinder with a proper overfill protection system as fitted to all Safefill cylinders. The reason they are telling you differently is because of either ignorance or belligerence. You can do something about the first, nothing
    about the second.